Anyone else like this play? or am I seeing this wrong

[ParadiceCity]

PokerStars Game #10980415549: Tournament #55675107, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/07/17 - 00:04:43 (ET)
Table '55675107 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: beserious (3455 in chips)
Seat 4: lenny4 (945 in chips)
Seat 6: elgoloso (7585 in chips)
Seat 8: ParadiceCity (1515 in chips)
beserious: posts the ante 25
lenny4: posts the ante 25
elgoloso: posts the ante 25
ParadiceCity: posts the ante 25
elgoloso: posts small blind 200
ParadiceCity: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ParadiceCity [9s As]
beserious: folds
lenny4: raises 520 to 920 and is all-in
elgoloso: raises 520 to 1440
ParadiceCity: raises 50 to 1490 and is all-in
elgoloso: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [2d 7d Jh]
*** TURN *** [2d 7d Jh] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [2d 7d Jh 7c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
elgoloso: shows [Ad 5d] (a flush, Ace high)
ParadiceCity: shows [9s As] (a pair of Sevens)
elgoloso collected 1140 from side pot
lenny4: shows [Qc Td] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
elgoloso collected 2860 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4000 Main pot 2860. Side pot 1140. | Rake 0
Board [2d 7d Jh 7c Qd]
Seat 1: beserious folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lenny4 (button) showed [Qc Td] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 6: elgoloso (small blind) showed [Ad 5d] and won (4000) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: ParadiceCity (big blind) showed [9s As] and lost with a pair of Sevens

[Slim Pickens]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t3455)
Button (t945)
SB (t7585)
Hero (t1515)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t920</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1440</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1490</font>, SB calls t50.

Barf.

[Jbrochu]

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Barf.

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I don't usually quote other responses but this says it all.

[ParadiceCity]

Well comon, dont be mean, but think about it right? maybe this is an incorrect play but at least i was thinking right?

I basically have to lose to both players to lose the tourney, if i win I have a good stack to get 1st or second, if i lose to small stack i still have an ok stack left to play if big stack loses.

Why is this wrong thinking? Isn't this right in some situations?

[Kevin8423]

Plays like this are usually only good in spots where you and the slightly shorter stack are extremely short or when a double up for the shorter stack would mean you almost certainly end up bubbling.

In this spot you are short, but you still have a significant amount of chips that can double through and have some amount of FE. The small stack doubling isn't the end of the world, and there is a decent chance you are in really bad shape either from a higher Ax from the short stack or being up against a better Ax and some PP. If you barely covered him then I would like the call.

[ParadiceCity]

If I fold I am at the same stack as if I would lose to short stack and win vs. big stack, although if i call, the short stack would have 500 more chips. short stack is pushing with almost any 2 here im sure...

[ParadiceCity]

but is this really a clearly "barf" play?

[Jbrochu]

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but is this really a clearly "barf" play?

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Actually this isn't a clear barf play and I'm a jackass for making my comments.

[Slim Pickens]

I would like you to have less than two big blinds to be thinking like that. Also, at the lower buy-ins you should expect that people won't play correctly on the bubble, so their hands get easier to read. It looks like SB is ahead of the short stack and maybe ahead of you. You've got a decent amount of equity left if you fold.

[ParadiceCity]

sb was playing like a true donkey, but that doesnt really matter i guess. Anywhere I can get more information on this? I know that there is a pokerxfactor vid i saw about this, but didnt really explain it too well. This is a situation that comes up frequently, and it would just be nice to know when to "pull the trigger". SnGPT can't analyze hands like this, and i dont even know where to begin with the math, although i could try.