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River spot early in stars 320
We've played maybe 20 hands at the table but I have no stats on him so he very well might've just got here. I won a tiny pot early but have done very little so far if by some chance he's been watching. Effective stacks on the river are 1800.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com UTG (t2530) UTG+1 (t2490) MP1 (t2490) MP2 (t2470) MP3 (t2170) CO (t3170) Button (t2100) Hero (t2500) BB (t2600) Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t80. Flop: (t220) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, MP1 calls t180. Turn: (t580) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t420</font>, MP1 calls t420. River: (t1420) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Steve P.S. Oh and I almost posted this hand in stages but I think the rest is super standard. Also, people are doing way too much of that lately. Comments on other streets appreciated as well though. |
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
seems like a clear c/c
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
I'd bet 1000-1200. I think he most likely has an over pair < QQ and can't lay it down.
edit: oops thought he raised and we reraised. The limp/call makes a 5 or 7 much more likely, but I still like a bet. |
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
I could see him having a flushdraw here. i don't think a straight draw of this board makes a limp/call except 89s.
If we bet the river, he's only calling with a hand that beats us. If he missed his flush/straight draw, he's going to fold. Just as 0evg0 said, I think this is a good spot for a check/call. |
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
funny, I think it's a clear bet (1k, fold to shove). I don't think he's got a draw with the coldcall on a double paired board, and if he does he's not betting that much (esp since he has an ace a lot of the time and will check behind w/ showdown value). So, ignoring draws for that reason, he basically has a 7 or a 5 and will call/raise the river if you bet, and bet if you check (in which case betting is the same as check/calling), or he has a pair between 22 and TT, and he might fold to your bet and might call it, but will check behind on the river. So, betting is strictly superior to check-calling (when you eliminate draws), so it's just a question of how often he has a 7/5 here vs how often he calls with a smaller pair, and I think he has pairs often enough (and calls with them often enough) to make this a bet rather than a checkfold.
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
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I'd bet 1000-1200. I think he most likely has an over pair < QQ and can't lay it down. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think that he thinks we would bet the flop and turn with overcards, no pair? |
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
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[ QUOTE ] I'd bet 1000-1200. I think he most likely has an over pair < QQ and can't lay it down. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think that he thinks we would bet the flop and turn with overcards, no pair? [/ QUOTE ] I think he thinks 'overpair! call!' |
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
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funny, I think it's a clear bet (1k, fold to shove). I don't think he's got a draw with the coldcall on a double paired board, and if he does he's not betting that much (esp since he has an ace a lot of the time and will check behind w/ showdown value). So, ignoring draws for that reason, he basically has a 7 or a 5 and will call/raise the river if you bet, and bet if you check (in which case betting is the same as check/calling), or he has a pair between 22 and TT, and he might fold to your bet and might call it, but will check behind on the river. So, betting is strictly superior to check-calling (when you eliminate draws), so it's just a question of how often he has a 7/5 here vs how often he calls with a smaller pair, and I think he has pairs often enough (and calls with them often enough) to make this a bet rather than a checkfold. [/ QUOTE ] i almost made this exact post, but i felt dirty saying bet-fold on the river and shoving is kinda big ... so i skipped posting. edit: also, by 'exact post' i mean, what he said, but crammed into 1 or 2 sentenecs. |
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
nothing dirty about bet-folding here... no one ever bluffs here. if they do, nh. Note to the reader: I'm not folding to you. don't try it, jackass.
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Re: River spot early in stars 320
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[ QUOTE ] funny, I think it's a clear bet (1k, fold to shove). I don't think he's got a draw with the coldcall on a double paired board, and if he does he's not betting that much (esp since he has an ace a lot of the time and will check behind w/ showdown value). So, ignoring draws for that reason, he basically has a 7 or a 5 and will call/raise the river if you bet, and bet if you check (in which case betting is the same as check/calling), or he has a pair between 22 and TT, and he might fold to your bet and might call it, but will check behind on the river. So, betting is strictly superior to check-calling (when you eliminate draws), so it's just a question of how often he has a 7/5 here vs how often he calls with a smaller pair, and I think he has pairs often enough (and calls with them often enough) to make this a bet rather than a checkfold. [/ QUOTE ] i almost made this exact post, but i felt dirty saying bet-fold on the river and shoving is kinda big ... so i skipped posting. edit: also, by 'exact post' i mean, what he said, but crammed into 1 or 2 sentenecs. [/ QUOTE ] I think that's why I originally said check/call because bet/fold didn't sound good so I went into between. |
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