What is the proper way to raise?

[RR]

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Once you bring chips forward, you cannot go back for more, even if you said "raise," unless you have stated the amount. Saying "raise" does not give you the license to string bet.

The only way you can make two motions is if you say "raise," then put out the exact amount of the call, then go back and bring out the raise amount in one motion.

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Generally in No limit you can continue to go back to your stack to get more chips until you rhand come to rest outside the betting area. It is very common for people that have come to poker in the last few years to be unfamiliar with NL procedures as the game was not pled until very recently.

[mayday4379]

Sorry to keep on with the thread, but could I have taken back the chips that didn't leave my hand yet but crossed the magicial white line? I'm not looking to 'cheat', but i'm not looking to give away $ either if someone calls out of turn.

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Sorry to keep on with the thread, but could I have taken back the chips that didn't leave my hand yet but crossed the magicial white line? I'm not looking to 'cheat', but i'm not looking to give away $ either if someone calls out of turn.

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Well I don't recognize magic in the poker room, so I can't specualte what your local rule may be.

[danxd]

At some casinos, especially in tournaments, if the whole stack goes over the line, it's a bet. No dropping the stack and pulling back 90% of it. It's considered an intent to bet, and it's a bet.

[SlightlyMad]

What if you are uncomfortable speaking during a hand, for fear that your voice will go squeaky when you have the nuts? I saved myself $200 noticing that tell on someone, and lost a potential $200 when it was spotted (and pointed out!) to me in one of my first $3/$6 Limit games that I ever played in. It was a rookie blunder on my part, so I generally try to talk as little as possible during a hand unless absolutely required. Generally, if I feel like I can talk without emotion and squeaking, I will state the raise.

In a $1/$2 NL live game, I usually let my chips speak for themselves if it is under $40.

[soah]

the best thing to do is to just protect yourself and not rely on the local rules covering your actions or the floorman actually being able to make a correct ruling. Either state the amount verbally, or don't move forward until you've got the right number of chips in your hand(s). Sure you might technically be allowed to do other stuff but there's no downside at all to just making sure your actions are completely unambiguous.

oh and the other option is to announce raise, and place the amount needed to call out there, and then do the rest in one motion

[jcg2005]

During one of my first few trips to the local card room I learned this rule the hard way. I reached out to check and tapped the table with the 10 5$ chips in my hand i had been trying to shuffle. The dealer called me on it. sigh

[youtalkfunny]

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Generally in No limit you can continue to go back to your stack to get more chips until you rhand come to rest outside the betting area.

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You've got to stop saying that, because I haven't found a cardroom in America that lets you do this--except the ones where you work.

You know that I agree with you, we've discussed this in the past. I'm just tired of fighting the rest of the world. After all, they've been playing since the dawn of the Moneymaker Era, so there can't be a rule they don't know about. If you mention to them a rule they never heard of, they presume that you're either crazy, or you made it up.

[SellingtheDrama]

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What if you are uncomfortable speaking during a hand, for fear that your voice will go squeaky when you have the nuts? I saved myself $200 noticing that tell on someone, and lost a potential $200 when it was spotted (and pointed out!) to me in one of my first $3/$6 Limit games that I ever played in. It was a rookie blunder on my part, so I generally try to talk as little as possible during a hand unless absolutely required. Generally, if I feel like I can talk without emotion and squeaking, I will state the raise.

In a $1/$2 NL live game, I usually let my chips speak for themselves if it is under $40.

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Experience will cure that. And if you are that uncomfortable playing live poker, I suspect that voice tells are only part of the problem. (Not a slam, just a fact).

[jeffnc]

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I played NL at the Wynn a few weeks ago and whenever I raised I would say "raise" then count out my chips in front of me and then either declare the value or push them a little forward signaling that my raise was complete. I played 33 hours, so I have a full rotation of dealers and this seemed to be acceptable.

I recently played at a boat in Indiana and their poker tables have one of those racetrack white lines in front of you. I stacked my chips behind the line and there's no room left between my chips and the line.

So in indiana we get to the river and the player bets into me. I say "raise" and take a stack of chips in my hand. As I begin to count the chips to myself and contemplate how much to raise, I start to stack them infront of the white line. While about half of my chips are on the table and the other half are still in my hand, the player says "call." I look at him confused and I say to the dealer that i haven't finished my raised. The player said "whatever you have pass the line is your raise and i call it." the dealer and the table all agreed.

I'm an online donk, so I guess I'm confused on the proper way to raise in live play. Is whatever crosses the line fair game whether it leaves the hand or not?

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They got it wrong for sure. The correct way in that situation isn't exactly clear, but they are wrong for sure.

Once you say "raise", you have to raise. Calling is not even an option. The only question is how much you're raising. Now I'm kind of a stickler so I'd say the white line defines the line strictly where you define your bet, regardless of how much room you have with your chip stack. But this is a question for the floor.

Once you have raised, then moved a certain number of chips across the line that does not constitute your full raise, you are either bound to that amount, or if it's too small, then your raise becomes a minimum raise.

For example, if your opponent bets $20, and you say "raise" and then move $20 over the line, you are committed to a raise to $40 (or a raise of $20), which is the smallest raise you can make. The same would be true if you had moved $1 or $39 across the line. However if you had moved $45 across the line, this becomes the raise even if you really meant to make it $100.