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#12
09-12-2007, 08:34 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
I hate your turn lead because it makes your hand look like a bluff.
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#13
09-12-2007, 08:38 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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I hate your turn lead because it makes your hand look like a bluff. [/ QUOTE ]He already bluffed the flop...betting the turn is repping a set, not a bluff. OP, just call flop.
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#14
09-12-2007, 08:38 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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why just call the flop when we have such a vulnerable holding? [/ QUOTE ] because we're expert players who can play past the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] no need to turn 77 into a bluff.
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#15
09-12-2007, 08:46 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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[ QUOTE ] I hate your turn lead because it makes your hand look like a bluff. [/ QUOTE ]He already bluffed the flop...betting the turn is repping a set, not a bluff. OP, just call flop. [/ QUOTE ] If you had a set of 6's on the flop, an A would be the last card you want to see on the turn. It kills your action so why would you continue to lead out?
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#16
09-12-2007, 08:53 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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[ QUOTE ] why just call the flop when we have such a vulnerable holding? [/ QUOTE ] because we're expert players who can play past the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] no need to turn 77 into a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] US, but seriously aren't we committing to call a turn bet in the dark if we call this flop bet?
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#17
09-12-2007, 08:55 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why just call the flop when we have such a vulnerable holding? [/ QUOTE ] because we're expert players who can play past the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] no need to turn 77 into a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] US, but seriously aren't we committing to call a turn bet in the dark if we call this flop bet? [/ QUOTE ] No, because most people don't double barrel bluff. It also depends what the turn is, what the board is, and villain's stats. In the hand posted, I would c/f turn without much though.
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#18
09-12-2007, 08:58 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
Well, I have to disagree about what OP is representing on the flop.
I very seldom see people make this kind of play with a set. I think that CR says: "I've got a decent but vulnerable hand, please fold", which is essentially the truth, not a bluff. I think the same message can be conveyed more easily by simply betting the flop, 3/4 to full pot. Villain is getting better odds to call the CR than he would to call a pot sized flop bet, and the pot would be much more manageable. On the turn, with the inflated pot, a cheap blocking bet is out, and you are pretty much doomed to check and fold the river if he calls.
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#19
09-12-2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why just call the flop when we have such a vulnerable holding? [/ QUOTE ] because we're expert players who can play past the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] no need to turn 77 into a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] US, but seriously aren't we committing to call a turn bet in the dark if we call this flop bet? [/ QUOTE ] No, because most people don't double barrel bluff. It also depends what the turn is, what the board is, and villain's stats. In the hand posted, I would c/f turn without much though. [/ QUOTE ] Given villains stats and that its 4 handed i think we see a double barrel often, no?
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#20
09-12-2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: NL100 - 77 overpair vs. Agro Villain OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why just call the flop when we have such a vulnerable holding? [/ QUOTE ] because we're expert players who can play past the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] no need to turn 77 into a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] US, but seriously aren't we committing to call a turn bet in the dark if we call this flop bet? [/ QUOTE ] this is where reads come in, its v. read dependent. try not to back out of tough decisions if it is more profitable then the easy route, it will make you a better player. The fact is that i think calling 77 is more +EV then re-raising it, and that's the most important point! It will lead to tougher decisons though, but good players make better decisions then lesser players (esp the hard ones) and that's where their money comes from. I mean, you know "raising for info" is bad, right? This is a similar sort of thing when you raise the flop. i forgot the board as i was writing this, but if its drawy you could b/f (or b/c if hes an agro player) on the turn to charge draws (and not let them take a cheap card). That's quite a decent line in general i think. few jumbled up thoughts. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense!
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