QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

[Quester]

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How bout we try and play post flop.....

4-betting NL 25 folds out every holding that we beat, and we are only getting called/5-bet by the top 3% of villains range.

AA/KK/AK

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Against an unknown, this is not true. 25NL isn't a rock garden, especially against unknowns.

I'd only lead this flop if I was willing to commit. It doesn't sound like you are.

I'm happy shoving over the minraise; it is very likely that you are ahead.

As played, you'll probably want to get it in against any non-A or non-K turn.

[citizenwind]

as played, donking into that flop will get you raised by any two. your bet looks like 88-TT or maybe AJ timidly firing out. i think you've inadvertently committed yourself here because of the increased possibility of getting bluffed.

you c/r the turn for the same reason you should have c/r'd the continuation bet on the flop: you're not getting value from being called by worse, you're getting value from trapping the money being bet by worse.

I think b/3b on the flop is fine too, but I think crai on the turn maximizes if the guy really is an aggro monkey, though it sucks when an A or K hits.

[Loramov]

We beat JJ, AQ, AK. The rest of his range is read dependant but if you are going to fold QQ on a flop like this you might as well fold it preflop unless you are only playing it for set value?!? Personaly i would raise the donk-bet with pretty much any 2. Call here and reevaluate on turn fold to any A or K on turn / river. I will c/c down from there. Min-raise on flop is often a bluff or somebody trying to see where he stands.

I also 4-bet preflop most of the times and fold to a shove when you flat call there your hand is very underrepresented so you can hardly fold postflop most pockets and suited connectors are still in your range here probably.

Edit: the way you played it preflop i also check-raise the flop to get c-bets from AQ/AK and smaller pockets.

[Rafpig]

IMO you either have to shove here or call and crai a blank turn. You can´t fold an overpair here IMO. Villain range is not as tight as you think. Let´s say you shove the flop (my favourite action, since JJ might be scared to continue after the turn card) and he calls only with TT+, still you have 33% equity with 2 to 1 odds. Add to this some FE and also the possibility that he calls with something else (who knows), then shoving is clearly correct. Folding here is a clear mistake IMO. BTW I would have preferred to 4bet pre-flop. I totally disagree with the statement that in NL-25 this will fold the hands we beat.