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Old 09-10-2007, 10:35 AM
Labarde Labarde is offline
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Default QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

No reads on opponent

Looking for the best line here, I feel like I'm beat.

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Button ($54.13)
SB ($34.98)
BB ($25)
Hero ($26.49)
MP ($41.76)
CO ($20.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>.
Hero?
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

why not check call flop and reevaluate on the turn?
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

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why not check call flop and reevaluate on the turn?

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I figure unless I hit a queen on the turn my thoughts about his hand will be very similar. I donk bet to try and get him to define his hand more. I think he folds AK here and raises me when I'm beat.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

Why not 4-bet pre?
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:23 AM
TheRenaissance TheRenaissance is offline
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

I think the flop donk is bad. If I am villain I'd raise you with any two. It is very transparent what you are trying to do - i.e. finding out where you are.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:30 AM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

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Why not 4-bet pre?

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How bout we try and play post flop.....

4-betting NL 25 folds out every holding that we beat, and we are only getting called/5-bet by the top 3% of villains range.

AA/KK/AK
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:34 AM
The Mad Potter The Mad Potter is offline
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

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I think the flop donk is bad. If I am villain I'd raise you with any two. It is very transparent what you are trying to do - i.e. finding out where you are.

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QFT
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

You have an overpair in a re-raised pot, i push here. I also would 4 bet PF. If he pushes all in PF you have a chance to fold but not on this flop i dont think. I def would not just call, thats just giving him a chance to hit.
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Old 09-10-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

i'd call and crai any non-AK turn.
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Old 09-10-2007, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: QQ called 3 bet pre, now facing min raise on flop

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You have an overpair in a re-raised pot, i push here. I also would 4 bet PF. If he pushes all in PF you have a chance to fold but not on this flop i dont think. I def would not just call, thats just giving him a chance to hit.

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i'd call and crai any non-AK turn.

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What kind of range would you put villain on here and what do you think I can beat?
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