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#31
08-27-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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[ QUOTE ] zasterguava , It is meaningless to say you would not follow laws you are not subject to. You won't make a real risk/reward evaluation until you have to. Yes I pay income tax. I have no interest in going to jail. [/ QUOTE ] The thing I find irratating about OP is that OP is implying that more tax money should go to redistribute income. It takes a lot of nerve/stupidity (take your pick) to crow about not paying income taxes, then have no idea about the allocation of revenues are collected, then have no clue about how government spends its money (for example how defense expenditures are allocated), and say more or less that government should be redistributing more income to the less afluent. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for putting words in my mouth which are exactly what I DIDNT SAY! "government should be redistributing more income to the less afluent" Thats what would happen under state socialism. If you read my post I said I do not think this is sufficient or a move in the direction of liberty, freedom and equality. I said quite explicitly that ALL forms of government and ALL forms of taxation can not provide a society where there is equality,(I included a critique of Marxist-Leninism) or a fair redistribution of wealth. Capitalism, whether state intervened or left to free market and trade, is IMO a recipe (and requirement) for inequality, exploitation and enslavery. Also, try to refrain from saying things are idiotic when you havn't read properly or made an effort to understand where Im coming from, as, quite clearly you have made a gross interpretation of what I said. 
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#32
08-27-2007, 05:09 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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[ QUOTE ] Its all well and good that people are so morally perfect that they would not pay taxes to avoid paying for the "war machine". I would simply kindly ask them to stay the [censored] off my roads and keep their kids out of my public schools. Don't expect the police or fire department to help you out either. That is all. [/ QUOTE ] None of those are paid for by federal income taxes, so GG. [/ QUOTE ] Another poster quoted the following regarding the use of income tax: * $89.9 billion - Education and training * $76.9 billion - Transportation Is this wrong? I'm sort of sitting on the fence here as I'm hearing from perhaps both sides of the extreme views.
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#33
08-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its all well and good that people are so morally perfect that they would not pay taxes to avoid paying for the "war machine". I would simply kindly ask them to stay the [censored] off my roads and keep their kids out of my public schools. Don't expect the police or fire department to help you out either. That is all. [/ QUOTE ] None of those are paid for by federal income taxes, so GG. [/ QUOTE ] Another poster quoted the following regarding the use of income tax: * $89.9 billion - Education and training * $76.9 billion - Transportation Is this wrong? I'm sort of sitting on the fence here as I'm hearing from perhaps both sides of the extreme views. [/ QUOTE ] Education is things like testing programs and scholarships. As far as I know this money doest not go to schools directly. It's unconstitutionaly regardless, so it doesn't really matter anyway as it can be ignored. The transportation money isn't really even transportation money, it's money the feds use to bribe the states to make laws (like 21 drinking age) that the Supreme Court won't let the feds make. It's like calling lottery money money for education. Sure the funds are allocated to that, but the money that would have been allocated there without those funds just got allocated somewhere else.
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#34
08-27-2007, 05:47 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] zasterguava , It is meaningless to say you would not follow laws you are not subject to. You won't make a real risk/reward evaluation until you have to. Yes I pay income tax. I have no interest in going to jail. [/ QUOTE ] The thing I find irratating about OP is that OP is implying that more tax money should go to redistribute income. It takes a lot of nerve/stupidity (take your pick) to crow about not paying income taxes, then have no idea about the allocation of revenues are collected, then have no clue about how government spends its money (for example how defense expenditures are allocated), and say more or less that government should be redistributing more income to the less afluent. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for putting words in my mouth which are exactly what I DIDNT SAY! "government should be redistributing more income to the less afluent" Thats what would happen under state socialism. If you read my post I said I do not think this is sufficient or a move in the direction of liberty, freedom and equality. I said quite explicitly that ALL forms of government and ALL forms of taxation can not provide a society where there is equality,(I included a critique of Marxist-Leninism) or a fair redistribution of wealth. Capitalism, whether state intervened or left to free market and trade, is IMO a recipe (and requirement) for inequality, exploitation and enslavery. Also, try to refrain from saying things are idiotic when you havn't read properly or made an effort to understand where Im coming from, as, quite clearly you have made a gross interpretation of what I said. [/ QUOTE ] No I read it properly. You have no clue on how the distribution of government revenue is collected or spent and that government spending to redistribute income is preferable to spending money on "aggression" all the while you don't pay any income tax.
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#35
08-27-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its all well and good that people are so morally perfect that they would not pay taxes to avoid paying for the "war machine". I would simply kindly ask them to stay the [censored] off my roads and keep their kids out of my public schools. Don't expect the police or fire department to help you out either. That is all. [/ QUOTE ] None of those are paid for by federal income taxes, so GG. [/ QUOTE ] Another poster quoted the following regarding the use of income tax: * $89.9 billion - Education and training * $76.9 billion - Transportation Is this wrong? I'm sort of sitting on the fence here as I'm hearing from perhaps both sides of the extreme views. [/ QUOTE ] Why don't you quit being so lazy and research it for yourself. The information you seek is readily available.
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#36
08-27-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
"No I read it properly. You have no clue on how the distribution of government revenue is collected or spent and that government spending to redistribute income is preferable to spending money on "aggression" all the while you don't pay any income tax. "
No again, if you read what I said you would understand I am against all forms of government and thus against the government taking money off its citizens HOWEVER it spends it. Thus your arguments are bizzare. If im against the inate implications of a certain system why should I care about the intricacies of it? Again, it boils down to an argument against capitalism and the state, but lets not get onto that. A socialist government will " collected or spend" taxes differently with emphasis on helping the poor- I STILL think this is wrong.
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#37
08-27-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its all well and good that people are so morally perfect that they would not pay taxes to avoid paying for the "war machine". I would simply kindly ask them to stay the [censored] off my roads and keep their kids out of my public schools. Don't expect the police or fire department to help you out either. That is all. [/ QUOTE ] None of those are paid for by federal income taxes, so GG. [/ QUOTE ] Another poster quoted the following regarding the use of income tax: * $89.9 billion - Education and training * $76.9 billion - Transportation Is this wrong? I'm sort of sitting on the fence here as I'm hearing from perhaps both sides of the extreme views. [/ QUOTE ] Why don't you quit being so lazy and research it for yourself. The information you seek is readily available. [/ QUOTE ] The information the government supplied regarding the Gulf of Tonkin was readily avaialable. The "real" truth which was much harder to learn at the time was not. But yes obviously the news and government activity is very easily accessable in America; in fact it is available 24/7 on Fox News, I forgot. How ignorant I am.
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#38
08-27-2007, 07:30 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
I also happily pay my income tax. After all it's an excellent bargain.
Every year I am faced with the choice of either paying off the government with some of my earnings or getting locked up in jail. Jail sucks, and it would really hinder my opportunity to earn, so I gladly pay my income tax. I consider income tax a bargain, considering I'd probably be willing to give everything I own to stay out of jail, and the government is only asking for 40% of one year's earnings! What a bargain. natedogg
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#39
08-27-2007, 09:37 PM
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Re: Do you pay your income tax. If not; why not?
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I consider income tax a bargain, considering I'd probably be willing to give everything I own to stay out of jail, and the government is only asking for 40% of one year's earnings! What a bargain. [/ QUOTE ] You do not pay 40% of your income in taxes. You benefit from the taxes you do pay and not just by staying out of jail.
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