oesd + top two on drawy flop. Push, Call or... fold???

[getitfixed]

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Do we really want to shove this flop? It's not 6-max remember and I don't see either folding for $50 from Hero's shove.

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Do we want them to? OP is shot taking here...I'd say get it in and hope for the best....Decent draw, good value on our money...I don't think there is any option other than shove.

[moon_ake]

Is a fold a bad way to end the hand, considering we're pretty sure the str8 is out there, and probably the FD?... At my normal limit and fullstacked, I think I would consider folding...

[moon_ake]

OK here are the results:

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$1
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $108.65
UTG+1: $74.35
MP1: $24.05
MP2: $97
MP3: $85.70
HERO: $69
Button: $59.70
SB: $100.10
BB: $111.80

Pre-flop: (9 players) HERO is CO with : : : :
UTG calls $1 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $2)</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $1 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $3)</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $4)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $3.5</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $2.5 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $8.5)</font>, UTG calls $2.5 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $11)</font>, MP1 calls $2.5 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $13.5)</font>, MP3 calls $2.5 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $16)</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($18.5, 5 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $18.5</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $18.5 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $37)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises all-in $65.5</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $47 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $121)</font>, MP3 calls $47 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $168)</font>.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($215, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $215)
UTG checks, MP3 checks.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($215, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $215)
UTG checks, MP3 checks.

Results:
Final pot: $215
<font color="#ffffff">UTG shows 3D 6S 7D 5C </font>
<font color="#ffffff">MP3 shows AD AS 3S 4S </font>
<font color="#ffffff">HERO shows 8C 7H10D 9H and wins the pot!</font>


The main reason I posted this hand is that I couldn't imagine I was ahead vs the str8 made and the flush draw...

pokenum -o 3d 6s 7d 5c - ad as 3s 4s - 8c 7h td 9h -- 9s 8h 5s
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 9s 5s 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6s 5c 7d 3d 188 28.23 473 71.02 5 0.75 0.286
As 4s 3s Ad 185 27.78 481 72.22 0 0.00 0.278
8c Td 9h 7h 288 43.24 373 56.01 5 0.75 0.436

I pushed because of the money already in and my stack size, but I thought I was behind versus the two opponents...

[alavet]

well actually i dont like push here
prefer to see non spade turn
and if safe probably even fold pissed my pants off [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[moon_ake]

honestly I think calling is the worst option, giving a free card to the flush draw and being pot-commited...

[Sly_Fox]

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honestly I think calling is the worst option, giving a free card to the flush draw and being pot-commited...

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Your not committed at all by calling the flop bet. I advocate it as others did, so you can ditch your hand if a cruddy turn card peels off.

[moon_ake]

I have 10 outs live (can we count the tens non spade as live outs though?) and it costs me 18.5 to win a 74 pot (do i have to count my 18.5? not a maths expert!...), so effectivly the call is not a bad way... didn't realise it...

[RoundTower]

You have great equity against the straight and the flush draw, how can you not realise that. You are in bad shape if someone has a set and someone else a similar or better straight draw.

[moon_ake]

I realised I had good equity, but I didn't expect to be ahead with 43% to win!...

I play omaha seriously since mid june and hadn't run sims on this kind of spot [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]