87o is this just Spew?

[JooWish622]

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I get more money in by checking turn then by betting.
The only hands im beating and hes gonna call any bets are Ax, if i bet turn he calls but folds to a river bet. Where as if i check turn he may value bet river with his Ax allowing me to stick a smallish value raise in.

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why do you think he'll fold ax? why do you think he'll call with ax when you river raise?

this analysis is not correct, and if you're going to challenge all of our advice against it... then why post in the first place?

[JooWish622]

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My thinking was that if villian does have Ax i can wait till river to see if a scare card comes. Because if i bet here and a scare card comes and villian makes a pot sized bet it puts me in tough spot. An their are a lot of scare cards that can come. Ak, AQ , AJ all have 11 outs on river.

And i dont think i miss out that much value by checking turn as oppsed to betting it.

If i was to bet turn id bet arounf 2/3 pot, so id bet about 52, then on river id bet just over half pot which in this case would be about 104 (if it was checked to me again).

So compare this to me chking turn an getting him to value bet Ak AQ or even block bet AJ and then making a smaillish raise?

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think about the value you miss when he has a draw
think about the value you miss when he check calls twice with a big ace or small ace
think about the terrible river raise after you tried to exert pot control
think about how many rivers you incorrectly call because he hits an out, and you call anyway (or even worse, incorreclty fold to a scare card).

your line is bad... just listen to us.

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Dont defend your play Huggy, it isnt good anywhere.

[Huggy]

TY joowish, i get it now, bet the turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], TY everyone for your adivce next time i will "bet the turn"

[wpr101]

Preflop is really bad. I fold 87s suited here sometimes too.

Raise the flop. As played bet the turn.

[Darkfolder]

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Raise the flop.

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Care to elaborate? Im not sure I agree with this.

[tripledrawrocks]

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Raise the flop.

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Care to elaborate? Im not sure I agree with this.

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Raise the flop? Just as we all had closure on this hand, you go and ruin it.

[jfish]

dont raise flop cmon.

[Jay Riall]

I don't mind flop call. Better than raising imo. Obv fold preflop and bet turn though. wtf you wana pot control this hand for?

[wpr101]

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dont raise flop cmon.

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Sorry, I thought he had a open ender.