25NL second nut flush gets MR on paired board

[Nick C]

I just call. If he picked up a flush draw on the turn, there's a pretty good chance (given your preflop raise) that it's the ace-high flush. I'm not saying it'll be that more often than a lower flush, but I think the possibility of getting 4-bet here cuts into the value of a 3-bet.

Meanwhile, if he didn't turn a flush draw, then it looks like he was slowplaying something. And (once again taking your preflop raise into account) I think a set is about as likely as 6x or 97. Maybe not quite as likely, but again the possibility of getting 4-bet cuts into the value of a 3-bet. And this is true even if you think you can fold to the 4-bet (unless that 4-bet means Villain will never have a worse hand).

Another slight factor is that, unless Villain has a flush, he liked his hand enough just to patiently check-call the turn. And while he certainly might do this with just trips or a straight, I think the action is a little more suggestive of something bigger.

[TheArtfulDodger]

Just call.

[UptownExpress]

i was villain btw, i thought this was an interesting hand i'll give u comments in a sec. do u want me to post results?

[T-Bone98]

Call

[UptownExpress]

alright here it goes. I won't reveal my hand yet.

1. Your flop check is kind of wierd, i would expect u to c-bet hu in pos vs blind like 90+% of the time. So i got the feeling u had like garbage or had flopped the joint str8 or top set or something.

2. Turn bet- I still felt like you had air. Honestly i put u on like no pair no draw, like aq off or something so i just called.

3. River. the main reason for my flop check is that i put you on air on the turn so I didn't think the river helped u so i was hoping to snap off a bluff. when u bet the situation changes. now this is wierd because you seem to be value betting something and i wasn't sure what I felt that u probably had flopped the nut str8 or had hit a str8 or flush on the river about 50% of the time, i also felt like you had tens or eights full a decent amount of the time.

[Vyse]

you think he has garbage on flop so you check it? uh.... FPS?

[UptownExpress]

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you think he has garbage on flop so you check it? uh.... FPS?

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um reread the hand i was oop. i said i thought his flop check was wierd. after he checks the flop the turn is dealt because he is last to act moran.

[UptownExpress]

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you think he has garbage on flop so you check it? uh.... FPS?

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um reread the hand i was oop. i said i thought his flop check was wierd. after he checks the flop the turn is dealt because he is last to act moran.

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also my hand was not that strong on the turn that i felt i could lead. and i also thought he had either garbage or the nuts and i did not know which.

[Lego05]

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I'd just call. I tend to respect river CR's by unknowns until they give me reason to believe otherwise.

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I generally believe this also. But look at this: he checks flop and we check behind...he still checks turn and then calls.: Also a flush (good chance of being lower), a straight (75 maybe), perhaps A6, or maybe something weird. I definitely at least call, but in this particular hand I may shove it all-in.

[UptownExpress]

RESULTS

i had 44. and he shoved i called.