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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
Btw I'm not necessarilty advocating smooth calling as opposed to raising. there are advantages and disadvantages to each play. I was just was wondering what your logic was behind raising the flop immediately.
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
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Btw I'm not necessarilty advocating smooth calling as opposed to raising. there are advantages and disadvantages to each play. I was just was wondering what your logic was behind raising the flop immediately. [/ QUOTE ] i didn't call because i felt that would invite him to fire away again on the turn regardless of what he might be holding, also i raise to knock out other opponent and get cheap showdown. I am supprised to see people saying to value bet the river. I Think his likely hand is AJ or AQ. What is he calling with that i could beat? |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
well played, I would played the same way
depending on the opponent I woulda bet the river too |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
I don't see any reason to bet this river. MP donked this flop into a preflop 3 bettor so I'm thinking he has a weak A and is going to call the river bet anyway. I don't know if I'd check behind the turn and try and induce a river bluff, or bet the turn and check behind the river.
I'd probably play it the same way you did. |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
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well played, I would played the same way [/ QUOTE ] River bet would be bad. You are looking at a weak Ace most probably, and he's calling. |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
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You are looking at a weak Ace most probably, and he's calling. [/ QUOTE ] then why raise the flop and bet the turn? |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
Is calling down from the flop bet a bad idea? I assume myself to be WA/WB at that point and call... Is it the presence of UTG+1 that changes things?
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
I can think of a few other scenarios but I get shown a meekly played A a lot of times in this situation.
I have no idea whether the times when he has 77 -> QQ pay for the times when he has the ace but I try to play it aggressively and just note him as a meek player if he has like a suited AJ or conversely, someone likely to be raising ace-rag. |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
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[ QUOTE ] You are looking at a weak Ace most probably, and he's calling. [/ QUOTE ] then why raise the flop and bet the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Yep, thats my question too. The flop raise is good. You get HU and it may give you a free turn card. Take the free turn card. If you bet on the turn you may pay 2BB or even more, if raised (then you might fold). If you check the turn you probably have to call one BB, if villain isnt too passive. |
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Re: KK against overcard. Is this spew?
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I am supprised to see people saying to value bet the river. I Think his likely hand is AJ or AQ. What is he calling with that i could beat? [/ QUOTE ] I suggest a raise, because for me his play suggest pocket pairs like 77,88,99,TT,JJ also. With these hands, he bets flop and when he sees you holding(re-raise) A or your are not worried about his raise, with A on the table, he's "forced" to call down from there with his high pocket pair(Is see this type of play pretty often too). With these hands a raise is for value on river. Ok, he might have a Ace also, or 88. An of course if hes got like KQ-JT of spade, I think he would stick around till river. |
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