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#21
07-08-2007, 04:21 PM
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Re: routine?
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When I'm playing really really well I will fold here to the 4-bet, because you are almost always crushed here, and when the board does pair, a good chunk of the time you are still behind to a boat instead of ahead of a counterfeited 2-pair. Most of the time, however, I do call down and do lose. [/ QUOTE ] As you should. By the time you are at the "fold or call a 4 bet" decision, the pot is big enough that the times you do win make up for it. 
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#22
07-08-2007, 06:36 PM
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Re: routine?
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sweating a limit playing friend of mine. absolute 75/150 6 handed. he raises utg w/ aa gets cold called by button w/ semi lag stats. flop is 378, friend bets button calls. turn is a 2. friend bets, button raises, friend 3 bets button caps...i say insta fold, friend says insta call...im no limit pro...am i out of touch? or is my friend addicted to aces. [/ QUOTE ] Both blinds fold, so 5.5 SBs on the flop, 7.5 sb or 3.75BB on the turn. Now you're thinking of folding after 7 more bets go in? If the opponent has two pair you have five outs, more than sufficient to call for 10:1, even if you knew for certain he had two pair. And he'll have a hand worse than that almost as often as he has a set or better. No way do you fold this in a heads up pot.
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#25
07-08-2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: routine?
NL players are so fun to play at limit. Just like I don't stand a chance vs a good NL player...perhaps to a lesser extent they don't stand a chance vs me. The whole 'hand reading and folding 'thing is incredibly off and the lines they take and value bets they miss are incredible - Especially short-handed.
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#27
07-09-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: routine?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] folding to the 4 should never be an option. the 3bet is def debatable. "..im no limit pro..." lol [/ QUOTE ] wow...so on a dry board you never fold aces on the turn...ever. thats new. is this just on line or live as well? [/ QUOTE ] live i can find a fold to a single raise on the turn against plenty of players. none of them are considered lags, or aggro, or unpredictable. online never and esp against a dude who is "button w/ semi lag stats." [/ QUOTE ] so then youre not folding any overpair ever in this situation? on a blank river your willing to get 4 bets in again w/aa? or a river that pairs the bottom card...4 bets for sure...or can you actually make a read on the river you cant make on the turn?
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#29
07-09-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: routine?
"so then youre not folding any overpair ever in this situation? on a blank river your willing to get 4 bets in again w/aa? or a river that pairs the bottom card...4 bets for sure...or can you actually make a read on the river you cant make on the turn?"
no im never folding here. the qualifier is that im not always 3betting the turn. in fact, i proly 3bet this turn far less than i should. but when i do 3bet there is no fckn way im folding.
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#30
07-09-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: routine?
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"so then youre not folding any overpair ever in this situation? on a blank river your willing to get 4 bets in again w/aa? or a river that pairs the bottom card...4 bets for sure...or can you actually make a read on the river you cant make on the turn?" no im never folding here. the qualifier is that im not always 3betting the turn. in fact, i proly 3bet this turn far less than i should. but when i do 3bet there is no fckn way im folding. [/ QUOTE ] ok, a guy whos a little laggy just cold calls an utg raiser. then just calls on a flop of all babys now riases the turn. when he raises the turn i think his hand range is very wide because he has no reason to beleive we even hbave a pair soo the 3 bet is auto, but once we 3 bet he becomes sure we have a big pair and he is going to have to show his hand down, now why he 4 bet unless he has the goods? and he cant be "4betting for a free showdown" becuase there is a decent chance we will lead the river. btw in the hand mentioned the dude had 77 and we spiked an ace for the win so i guess you are all right when you say we had outs.
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