|
|
#11
07-03-2007, 07:33 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] you're [censored] short stacked push pf [/ QUOTE ] They didn't open to $8 and 3bet to $32-$36 or something like that. The 3-bet in this hand is $15. Pretty sure pushing is way over the top here... [/ QUOTE ] that's what i do..... when you push here you have crazy FE (according to what some villains say they fold.... i also push w/ some big pairs fwiw) it teaches button not to dick around with his pfrrs... essentially button is trying to use position and gain momentum by putting the minimum in the pot.... [censored] that, you're oop, pot is building ARRRRRRR-IN! 
|
|
#12
07-03-2007, 07:36 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
really you'd push for 20 bucks? i guess 4-betting is bad b/c if he does call your [censored] out of position when the generic flop comes-- what would you do with j's in that position vs a tag aggressive?
|
|
#13
07-03-2007, 07:38 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
[ QUOTE ]
really you'd push for 20 bucks? i guess 4-betting is bad b/c if he does call your [censored] out of position when the generic flop comes-- what would you do with j's in that position vs a tag aggressive? [/ QUOTE ] in this case, call and hit top set [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] i would also prob call w QQ and TT, i'd prob push w KK and AA maybe sometimes call and stack a donk or cr ai
|
|
#14
07-03-2007, 07:38 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you're [censored] short stacked push pf [/ QUOTE ] They didn't open to $8 and 3bet to $32-$36 or something like that. The 3-bet in this hand is $15. Pretty sure pushing is way over the top here... [/ QUOTE ] that's what i do..... when you push here you have crazy FE (according to what some villains say they fold.... i also push w/ some big pairs fwiw) it teaches button not to dick around with his pfrrs... essentially button is trying to use position and gain momentum by putting the minimum in the pot.... [censored] that, you're oop, pot is building ARRRRRRR-IN! [/ QUOTE ] lol you kill me i see where your comin from tho haha
|
|
#15
07-03-2007, 07:41 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
[ QUOTE ]
i'm not thatt short stacked am i? i have 174 but great advice clown, thanks man but i didn't know if people would think folding was too nitty, that spot just erks me- lets say you know button is an agressive 3-better, smart player. . . how would you play jj's from bb; still a fold? [/ QUOTE ] If he dicks around alot and the 3-bet is small enough I'd call with JJ. Calling with JJ in your example hand isn't just for set value. Most of the "general stuff" I talked about in my first post was when the raise and re-raise are real sizes and the relative stack sizes are 100bb. Unless I have reads that the guys are raising and re-raising light or there is some other stipulation that tells me to get involved, I'm folding AK or JJ in that spot. In your spot, like I said, I still believe AK is a fold in a vacuum, but keikiwai has some good points too. And reload please.
|
|
#16
07-03-2007, 07:44 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
I like to just go all-in preflop here because a normal 4bet is going to make things real awkward if he calls and you miss, and coldcalling is just lolwhat.
|
|
#19
07-03-2007, 08:09 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: ak out of position vs button raiser
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you're [censored] short stacked push pf [/ QUOTE ] They didn't open to $8 and 3bet to $32-$36 or something like that. The 3-bet in this hand is $15. Pretty sure pushing is way over the top here... [/ QUOTE ] that's what i do..... when you push here you have crazy FE (according to what some villains say they fold.... i also push w/ some big pairs fwiw) it teaches button not to dick around with his pfrrs... essentially button is trying to use position and gain momentum by putting the minimum in the pot.... [censored] that, you're oop, pot is building ARRRRRRR-IN! [/ QUOTE ] This is the first thing I thought when I saw the PF action. I don't know what better situations you're looking for then restealing a button steal or even reraising for value with AK when the dude is a 38/12/3 and you are way ahead of the range he'd be raising the button with. Guys like this will raise a LOT of hands OTB with one limper in. Folding AK here seems very weak to me against this player. Even if you don't like the idea of raising for value here you need to do it with strong hands anyway to keep in line when he's in late and cleaning up when he's on a steal. If you fold AK here, you make it profitable to him to raise up hands much much weaker like JTo, don't let him do that to you. Edit to say that it doesn't have to be AI, I'd still expect to take it down with a 3 bet. Player dependent if he pushes.
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
