ak out of position vs button raiser

[reef2287]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($208.55)
MP ($112.15)
Button ($197)
SB ($217.80)
Hero ($172.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $15</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $13, MP calls $11.

Flop: ($46) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: $46

ARGHH. . . do i reraise out of position or call and hope he'll donk away chips to me if a forunate flop comes out? i feel like i'm so -EV in this situation i could cry-- theres probably no general answer so in this situation button raiser is probably a 38/12/3, aggressive but has some vague understanding of position

[BountyKilla]

depends on stats, if he has been repopping alot, push, if hes real nitty this may be a fold pf, most of the time I push here.

[reef2287]

stakcs are so deep though, aroudn 100 BB's, are we really pushing to a 3-bet raise?

[74o_Clownsuit]

Fold preflop. For me especially without reads (and sometimes even with them!) in this OOP spot it goes fold &gt; raise &gt; cold-call. And I would almost always fold JJ or less here fwiw.

Generally only get involved in a spot like this if there is a lot of dead money. For example in a 6 handed game with 100bb: MP opens, CO 3-bets and a donk BU CC's, you should almost always push with AK.

EDIT: Oh gay I didn't notice the stack sizes. I still think it's a fold, if not a 4-bet.

[BountyKilla]

sry i thought it was 100nl....

[Saviour_Flare]

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Fold preflop. For me especially without reads (and sometimes even with them!) in this OOP spot it goes fold &gt; raise &gt; cold-call. And I would almost always fold JJ or less here fwiw.

Generally only get involved in a spot like this if there is a lot of dead money. For example in a 6 handed game with 100bb: MP opens, CO 3-bets and a donk BU CC's, you should almost always push with AK.

EDIT: Oh gay I didn't notice the stack sizes. I still think it's a fold, if not a 4-bet.

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great advice! I totally agree bro.

[keikiwai]

you're [censored] short stacked

push pf

[74o_Clownsuit]

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you're [censored] short stacked

push pf

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They didn't open to $8 and 3bet to $32-$36 or something like that.

The 3-bet in this hand is $15.

Pretty sure pushing is way over the top here...

[reef2287]

i'm not thatt short stacked am i? i have 174 but great advice clown, thanks man but i didn't know if people would think folding was too nitty, that spot just erks me- lets say you know button is an agressive 3-better, smart player. . . how would you play jj's from bb; still a fold?

[reef2287]

yea pushing 160 seems ridiculous for 23 bucks