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Old 07-02-2007, 06:36 PM
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Default Re: 25nl KTs vs flop donk

Really, that's well good research, what's a TAG player?

I may have to adjust my play.
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: 25nl KTs vs flop donk

Also, what did Villain end up having?
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: 25nl KTs vs flop donk

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Really, that's well good research, what's a TAG player?

I may have to adjust my play.

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TAG -- Tight preflop (plays ~20% of their hands, give or take), aggressive pre and postflop.
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:11 PM
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I like FLOP/TURN/RIVER.
Will you call a push if you raise FLOP ?
PF..I don't know..sometimes I raise ..sometimes I fold
I wouldn't like to play KTs in a 4 way pot
As I've read Aj said raising is meah..

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If i raise the flop Im folding to a push obviosuly
KTs plays great multiway IP
PF I think can go either way with not great benefit

Oh and he had a flush - NEVER saw that coming
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:11 AM
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There was a huge discussion on limping vs pfr'ing in ssnl awhile ago. I took the position of limping more (hoping to win a big pot and not just a cb/pfr pot), and pfr'ing less. There was great posts in that thread on both sides and I highly doubt I would be able to find it, so don't ask, it's a few years old probably.

As I had played a bajillion hands, doing both pfr'ing and limping, I was able to filter PT to see results. Others did too who both limped and PFR'd. And we found for a normal TAG player, your bb/100 was significantly higher for specific non-premium hands that you might limp or pfr (KTs 65s etc) when pfr'ing as opposed to limping. And that doesn't even talk about what happens when you are raising alot and you get a premium that flops the nuts and how people react to you differently if you are raising all the time.

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this?
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: 25nl KTs vs flop donk

He didn't get paid off very much with his flush draw. I think by checking the turn you minimised your losses, really well played hand.
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Old 07-03-2007, 10:01 AM
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Default Re: 25nl KTs vs flop donk

At nl25 and nl50 there are many factors to consider against limping and raising preflop. There is a problem with limping suited connectors like 56, 67, 78 etc being that people will play backwards hands like J3, Q7 just because they are suited. So a lot of the time you will go broke on a flush. When you raise you force these people out of the hand.

There is a case for limping any non-premium pair as when you hit the set 90% of the time you will be good. The only downside to this is the fact that people might just punish you for limping with a raise, which you can't call because you don't have the implied odds if they are doing it to punish.

Basically shorthanded limping is a cardinal sin unless you are at a poor table. Then it can be very profitable.
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