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05-31-2007, 12:55 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He is DEFINITELY shoving any 2 in this spot. Any Ace, King, Q7+ or so, J9+ or so. [/ QUOTE ] ?? Am i doing this wrong? There are 10*100 in antes plus the 5025 Bax puts in plus the 800 for big blind which equals 6825. So we have to call 5025 - 800 = 4225. 6825/4225= 1.615385:1, which means we need roughly 38% equity. Even hes pushing only 30% of hands a calling range of any two cards has 38% of equity, so how can we not be calling ATC if he is pushing 100%? [/ QUOTE ] Your entire range is 38% against his range, but ok not each individual hand. You are really confused, somehow thinking that because the range as a whole is 38% against his, that you should call with every hand in the range. At least that's how I'm reading it and unfortunately it makes no logical sense. [/ QUOTE ] Yea you read it right. I was just being stupid. Disregard. 
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05-31-2007, 01:03 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
He is pushing ATC, so you can call with 92o, 72s, 74o, 43s, or better. I would probably call considerably tighter, because I want to pushbot my short stack. I would probably call with top 65% hands.
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05-31-2007, 01:08 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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He is pushing ATC, so you can call with 92o, 72s, 74o, 43s, or better. I would probably call considerably tighter, because I want to pushbot my short stack. I would probably call with top 65% hands. [/ QUOTE ] calling with 74o would be pretty awesome though =)
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#15
05-31-2007, 01:09 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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He is pushing ATC, so you can call with 92o, 72s, 74o, 43s, or better. I would probably call considerably tighter, because I want to pushbot my short stack. I would probably call with top 65% hands. [/ QUOTE ] You can really call 74o and 92o? Is that really correct? Ofc I haven't done any math just seems especially loose, even with antes.
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#16
05-31-2007, 01:17 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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[ QUOTE ] He is pushing ATC, so you can call with 92o, 72s, 74o, 43s, or better. I would probably call considerably tighter, because I want to pushbot my short stack. I would probably call with top 65% hands. [/ QUOTE ] You can really call 74o and 92o? Is that really correct? Ofc I haven't done any math just seems especially loose, even with antes. [/ QUOTE ] Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 25,170,868,800 games 0.003 secs 8,390,289,600,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 38.550% 35.66% 02.89% 8976366960 726959628.00 { 74o } Hand 1: 61.450% 58.56% 02.89% 14740582584 726959628.00 { random } Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 25,170,868,800 games 0.002 secs 12,585,434,400,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 39.098% 36.52% 02.58% 9191649444 649640802.00 { 92o } Hand 1: 60.902% 58.32% 02.58% 14679937752 649640802.00 { random }
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#18
05-31-2007, 01:27 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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[ QUOTE ] He is pushing ATC, so you can call with 92o, 72s, 74o, 43s, or better. I would probably call considerably tighter, because I want to pushbot my short stack. I would probably call with top 65% hands. [/ QUOTE ] You can really call 74o and 92o? Is that really correct? Ofc I haven't done any math just seems especially loose, even with antes. [/ QUOTE ] It is cEV+, but as you know, I attach some value to surviving with a small stack. If you call with these hands, it is 60% you go bust. Of course, if you win, you have a restealing stack, which may be valuable at this table.
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#19
05-31-2007, 01:29 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He is pushing ATC, so you can call with 92o, 72s, 74o, 43s, or better. I would probably call considerably tighter, because I want to pushbot my short stack. I would probably call with top 65% hands. [/ QUOTE ] You can really call 74o and 92o? Is that really correct? Ofc I haven't done any math just seems especially loose, even with antes. [/ QUOTE ] It is cEV+, but as you know, I attach some value to surviving with a small stack. If you call with these hands, it is 60% you go bust. Of course, if you win, you have a restealing stack, which may be valuable at this table. [/ QUOTE ] 60% bust whatchu mean? Every allin I add 3-5% to my equity due to luckbox.
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#20
06-01-2007, 08:40 AM
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Re: UB 30k – JohnnyBax shoves my BB – Call Range?
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It is cEV+, but as you know, I attach some value to surviving with a small stack. If you call with these hands, it is 60% you go bust. Of course, if you win, you have a restealing stack, which may be valuable at this table. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a spot where you shouldn't be taking a 0EV or even a slightly +EV gamble. (I guess it kinda relates to Betgo's redzone theory.) Especially if this is a tight table, it's easy to imagine folding in this spot and doubling your stack through uncalled pushes within the next orbit. You miss out on this chance 60% of the time if you call here with a poor hand. You also miss out on the chance of a premium hand. On the other hand, if there is plenty of blind stealing at the table then maybe it is worth taking a slightly -EV gamble to get a restealing stack. But, unless the table is super tough, holding on to your small stealing stack will be better. I was wondering if there's any way to do maths to work out the value of possible later +EV opportunities but it seems too complex.
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