Opening up your game = $$.....really?

[thatpfunk]

variance, FTW.

[Tickner]

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It's really simple:

Playing LAG is better in games where you have a lot of FE (aka NOT SSNL)

Playing TAG is better in games where everyone stacks of with TPTK (aka SSNL)

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Probably the biggest minconception in SSNL right here.

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I really don't see how this is a big misconception. If you can play well post-flop, then play LAG. Most people in SSNL can't play that well post-flop. Obviously, the fewer hands you are willing to play aggressively pre-flop, the easier your decisions post-flop will be.

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I think you are using flawed logic for this. I'll use your style of writing to convey my points:

Just because you play well post flp doesnt mean you should play LAG.

Just because you play tight pre-flop does not mean your post flop decisions will be easy.

[.KeviN.]

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It's really simple:

Playing LAG is better in games where you have a lot of FE (aka NOT SSNL)

Playing TAG is better in games where everyone stacks of with TPTK (aka SSNL)

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Probably the biggest minconception in SSNL right here.

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I really don't see how this is a big misconception. If you can play well post-flop, then play LAG. Most people in SSNL can't play that well post-flop. Obviously, the fewer hands you are willing to play aggressively pre-flop, the easier your decisions post-flop will be.

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I think hes saying its a misconception bc by playing LAG in games where villians will stack off with TPTK, if you hit youre hand they will stack off with TPTK. The implied odds are huge.

IVice versa in games where the players are solid and tight, hands like suited connectors lose value because of the implied odds they lose when players are smart and no longer willing to stack off with marginal/good hands.

[early325]

Inherently, the tighter you play PF, the fewer marginal spots you are put in post-flop.

Obv, no matter how well you play post-flop, playing LAG isn't always the best way to play (which is why I mentioned SSNL in my first reply). The better your opponents, the more you need to open up your game. You can easily beat SSNL without doing so. That was my point.

[aislephive]

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It's really simple:

Playing LAG is better in games where you have a lot of FE (aka NOT SSNL)

Playing TAG is better in games where everyone stacks of with TPTK (aka SSNL)

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Probably the biggest minconception in SSNL right here.

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I really don't see how this is a big misconception. If you can play well post-flop, then play LAG. Most people in SSNL can't play that well post-flop. Obviously, the fewer hands you are willing to play aggressively pre-flop, the easier your decisions post-flop will be.

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That is not what you said. You stated that in SSNL with donkish opponents (aka no FE) it is better to play TAG than LAG, and vice-versa in TAG games.

LAG is often more effective in SSNL if you're good than TAG, as you get in many more spots against fish and you also have a very wild aggressive image to get paid off on. The people who say that nobody pays attention at SSNL are way off.

I do agree with your last statement however. If you're very good postflop, then playing LAG is better as you'll get to exploit more edges postflop. If you're inexperienced or bad it makes sense to play good cards and avoid marginal spots.

[keikiwai]

OP, one thing you should consider is the average natural progression of a poker player

1) you start playing poker, you're excited, you don't know much, you play too many hands

2) you learn a little, you figure out you shouldn't play every hand, you tighten up, and your game improves, since you run so much bettter than before, you think TAG is always better (this is where you're at)

3) you begin to understand more about the game and start opening up in strategic spots... this is fun and many players become super LAG for a while, because they over do the opening up thing, and they think that LAG is always better

4) you figure out that LAG for LAG's sake isn't the best thing and you learn to play the style most suitable to the table, whether it be TAG, LAG, or other

[loosbastard]

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4) you figure out that LAG for LAG's sake isn't the best thing and you learn to play the style most suitable to the table, whether it be TAG, LAG, or other

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This was my problem for a looong time. I was playing like 35/25 just because "LAG is the most profitable way to play". Once people started playing back at me, I refused to shift gears and exploit the image I had created. Now a days...I still run 35/25 at a lot of my tables, but there are others where I'm nitting it up because nobody every gives me any f'ing credit on Stars.

[dirtytricks]

Nice post!

I couldnt agree more that there is too much focus on preflop stats in this forum.

If you play 16/13, 20/17 or 27/22 doesnt matter as much as your postflop skills. Maybe even more important is your ability to adapt to other players playing styles.

It is also a lot easier to play 16/13 postflop than 27/22. Thats why there are so few good lags at 100NL and 200NL.

You first goal should be to be a consistent winning player, gain confidence and then make adjustments later when you know you are winning. Then loosening up and starting to make moves at the right time against the right players.

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OP, one thing you should consider is the average natural progression of a poker player

1) you start playing poker, you're excited, you don't know much, you play too many hands

2) you learn a little, you figure out you shouldn't play every hand, you tighten up, and your game improves, since you run so much bettter than before, you think TAG is always better (this is where you're at)

3) you begin to understand more about the game and start opening up in strategic spots... this is fun and many players become super LAG for a while, because they over do the opening up thing, and they think that LAG is always better

4) you figure out that LAG for LAG's sake isn't the best thing and you learn to play the style most suitable to the table, whether it be TAG, LAG, or other

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I know, I just got past 3 I guess. The thing is i don't try to play tight or loose. I shift gears ALOT. If you look at my stats when multitabling theyre always all over the place. Some tables im like 30/25 and then others im REAL nitty like 9/6 or something like that. It all depends on dynamics. I was suprised to see them avg out to around 16/13. I also play tighter than most from EP. I just dont like to waste time in marginal spots from bad positions while multitabling even with a little edge.

BTW, not worried about postflop skills at all. At the casinos I LIVE for flops and play well OOP even at the higher stakes. Best part of my game by far. Playing online I just dont see the point of all the variance when youre able to make good $$ while playing more tables. I guess if I played like 1 or 2 tables I would be much more LAG, but I guess whatever you make $$ with just do it.