BBvsSB @ final table of a major sunday tournament

[kurtkatt]

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second barrel this obv, it just sucks to check behind here and see the river blank and be left with no options. All these diskussions about checking behind here with a semistrong hand cause villain will call a bet on river more easily applies here as betting the turn should fold out a lot of these weak made hands on turn here, no?

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No. Betting flop and turn will generally be interpreted as trips+ or air, and given that it's a blind on blind confrontation where the SB has repeatedly shown weakness, he's very likely to read it as a bluff and c/r or call down light. Check turn and bet river if checked to, whether or not you improve.

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is he ever folding a made hand on river ( and should be checking all?)?

actually i somehow missed the bvb part (hm..these empty beercans could have something to do with it??) that makes this a little harder obv, but still see above.

and if his c/r turn % goes up that much as some imply that should differ our turnplay with a lot of made hands here?


ps id probably play it as you suggest, but am exploring this a little bit now

[kurtkatt]

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second barrel this obv, it just sucks to check behind here and see the river blank and be left with no options. All these diskussions about checking behind here with a semistrong hand cause villain will call a bet on river more easily applies here as betting the turn should fold out a lot of these weak made hands on turn here, no?

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Let's assume your opponent doesn't have an 8:

When you bet the turn, your opponent may still consider a large percentage of your range to be a bluff. You're OOP and both of you are deep, so your opponent could C/R bluff you here, he could call with a smallish pair, an 8, A2, and so on. The only way to whittle your range down and get a fold (assuming a J, T, or 9 doesn't hit) is to fire away again on almost any river.

This is why I said "bet again ONLY if you plan to triple barrel." Which is why it should go: Check > bet, because with 10 potential outs, all of them with nice implied odds value, checking here has greater EV than betting. You also happen to keep the pot smaller, allowing you a less expensive bluff on an A river + a less expensive fold/call if you bet a J or 10 and your opponent CR on the river.

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i dont really get it cause it seems so paradoxal to other discussions where it looks like a bluff would work better on turn than river cause on river villain can call down knowing it will close the hand. which would imply that the best place to bluff this pot is turn, but anyway u propose a line where we in other spots see the same line as a way to get more value out of semistrong hands?? this just doesnt make sense, or is this because this is a bvb or board texture?