6-max PF poll

[Micturition Man]

I voted raise/raise/raise.

Surprised at how negative people were on A559. It's a fold from early positions but IMO it's plenty good enough for a late position raise.


EDIT: Changed my mind about A559. I think it's a little too junky from this position, even with the Axs.

I feel sure it's +EV from the cut-off at least.

[morphball]

To me, A3 & AJ have good value short-handed, and I would call a raise but not want to have to pay 3 sb's to see the flop, so I go with call here, if the 8 was gone or if I had a suited A for value I would raise.

A559 ace suited - I dump this in EP, 55, a5, and axs kind of suck as combo's. I would need a lot of reasons to play this hand in anytype of LO8 game in any position, actually.

A4J10 rb - this was the toughest one for me, and it really depend on table conditions, but as it was border-line I voted call.

My sample is small in 6-max LO8, but started out large and then ran bad, making me breakeven at 3/6 and 5/10. My sample is less than 5k at short-handed, and this includes probably 400-800 of HU hands, as these games tend to break (at least when I played them last January).

[HailThief]

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Fold, fold, fold and it's not even close.


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May I enquire your pf percentage figure?

[TStoneMBD]

i dont know how people could possibly think AJT4 is better than A3J8

[TxRedMan]

This is similar to the turnout we got in previous polls. A large discrepancy between opinions and playing styles. Even though the sample size is small, I think it's interesting and very indicative that the answers vary so much.

Hand one is an easy call for me, hand two is a fold, and hand three is sometimes a call, sometimes a raise, but never a fold.


If you're folding hand one you're playing much too tight. If you're calling hand two you're playing too loose. If you're folding hand three, you're playing too tight.

I suggest some of you who play 6-max do some research on how strong these hands are against 5 other random hands.

[TxRedMan]

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i dont know how people could possibly think AJT4 is better than A3J8

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LOL.

Maybe because they're a coinflip HU?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2622950
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 as jh 3c 8d - - ah jd 4c ts
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 3c 8d Jh 106336 155994 215597 128409 189186 53430 16519 0.505
Ts 4c Jd Ah 120767 215597 155994 128409 69634 96851 16519 0.495


Or b/c A4J10 is a favorite in a spot like this?

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2622952
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 as jh 3c 8d - - ah jd 4c ts - - 2c 3s 5d 6h
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 3c 8d Jh 57380 91213 329652 79135 119836 104220 5971 0.321
Ts 4c Jd Ah 103715 153387 267478 79135 41505 100969 3579 0.359
3s 2c 5d 6h 82020 176265 323735 0 102370 152606 2463 0.320

Or because it's still a favorite over A3J8 even in this instance:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2622953
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 as jh 3c 8d - - ah jd 4c ts - - ac 2c 9h 7s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 3c 8d Jh 54804 105047 335183 59770 82227 162550 6290 0.274
Ts 4c Jd Ah 89267 149467 290763 59770 30708 147423 6290 0.310
7s Ac 2c 9h 135788 185716 311594 2690 163767 81034 6290 0.416


You going to be in LV at the end of may?

[TxRedMan]

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I voted fold / call / raise and I am a beginner.

The first hand is trashy IMO and should be played only full ring in late position for one bet. I would fold it even then though.

The second hand is much better. A raise comes into consideration since for instance a set of fives after the flop would do better against a small field. If I flop a flush draw I would prefer a large field though. When in doubt about raising or limping I usually limp in O8.

For a shorthanded game the third start hand to me seems clearly the best of the three. Full ring I would muck it if not in the big blind though.

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Try call, fold, raise.

[TStoneMBD]

im in lv now, lets get a table tonight, bellagio. pm me for me # if youre going to show up. if bellagio wont spread a hu table because theyre too busy we can move it to venetian or wynn, but id hate to be in such a quiet room all alone with noone else around, too boring. btw, i place little value in your pf equity calcs. A4 is generally a reverse implied odd hand, especially against those other 2 hands.

[TStoneMBD]

ps, i love how you post these polls and then correct everyones opinion like youre the [censored] authority on omaha just because youre a 15/30 grinder. oh wait, i forgot, youre one of the best full ring limit omaha players in the world. you want me to stake you for the nose bleed omaha games on full tilt?

[shaundeeb]

<3 mike