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Old 04-25-2007, 03:11 PM
gehrig gehrig is offline
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

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Also, I think it makes the hand a lot easier to play and gives us more information.

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this isnt good thinking

why is it easier to play? because you're telling your opponents what u have early in the action so u can understand their actions better
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

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Also, I think it makes the hand a lot easier to play and gives us more information.

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this isnt good thinking

why is it easier to play? because you're telling your opponents what u have early in the action so u can understand their actions better

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actually i am not even sure what you are saying here.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

leaking information can make ur decisions easier but it doesnt earn u money
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

easier decisions = higher frequency of making the correct decision = earning money
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:40 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

no bc ur opponents have easier decisions as well

take it to the extreme

if your cards are face up all your decisions will be much easier than when your cards are face down
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

The difference is that you've interrupted the action before they've had a chance to make their plays. Your donkbet changes everything after you make it. This is where you leak information. When you check, you leak none, and your opponent's first action is made without additional information. The only question is if the money you make by more frequently making the correct decision because you leaked info by donking is going to outweigh the money you lost by leaking it.

Obviously if you know your opponent sees your cards, you'll have pretty easy decisions and you won't earn very much money.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

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no bc ur opponents have easier decisions as well

take it to the extreme

if your cards are face up all your decisions will be much easier than when your cards are face down

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if your cards are faceup your decisions aren't easy.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

That's true really, but the point is that you just can't win with your cards face up.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

yeah, how are decisions easy w/ your cards face up? It would be easy if your opponents didn't know you knew your cards were face up i suppose...
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: 150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

if he donks flops with some regularity and with hands of differing strength then his hand is not face up.

i could be way off here but it seems there are plenty of situations, ie flop textures, where its better not to mindlessly cbet.

if i am neverwin i think i would check this flop with air bc it seems to hit the range of a ton of playable hands. his chance of taking it down with a flop is very low and his chance of getting cred is very high. it may better to check even ak here (dunno)
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