150/300 TP, coordinated board, vs neverwin

[kurosh]

This is from a while ago. I don't remember any reads. Neverwin is CO and SB is nojob on UB.

Neverwin opens CO, nojob calls in SB, I call with Q8o in the BB.

Flop QJ9r
SB checks, I bet, CO calls, SB raises, I call, CO calls.

Turn 5, putting out a flush draw.
SB bets, I call?, CO calls.

River 5, SB checks, I bet, CO raises!, SB folds, I call?


Turn I probably should've raised to get CO out, but I'm not sure since I can't fold to a 3-bet. Maybe then a flop 3-bet is best? On the river, I couldn't put him on a hand.

[Victor]

ive never played with neverwin. sure seems like your boned here a ton. but with neverwins reputation i suppose you can call and hope hes getting desperate with a random t or ak.

seems like nojobs range is top pair+ and any ten. i think your flop/turn line is fine.

[mtgordon]

I'd pop the turn and then re-evaluate on the river taking a free showdown if that's what I determine to be best. If I get 3bet by CO I guess just call down. As played, I'm not folding the river as he could have thought you are betting a busted draw and thinks he can blow sb off the hand.

[The Funky Llama]

what was the reasoning behind your flop donk? Did you expect neverwin to check a lot? Id check and let him bet his 66 or A5s or AK or whatever. I think he is good enough to not raise you here with many worse hands.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

Im curious about your flop play. Is there any reason why you decided that donking the was the best play?

[ggbman]

I would fold since he has three fives, which is better than Queens and fives.

[DeathDonkey]

I dunno guys if he is playing great he might try and push SB off a better hand since Kurosh's hand looks really suspicious and might be a bluff / way weak hand. Agree I wouldn't donk this flop generally.

-DeathDonkey

[secret.asian.man]

I think this is a must call. First, there isn't really a reasonable non bluff hand for NW to have, except maybe A5 with some backdoor flush draw or something, or maybe T5 if he's opening that loose. As DD said, look at the hand from NW's perspective - your hand looks like it could be a busted draw or weaker pair than you actually have, and on the river he thinks he has an opportunity to knock out the 3rd player.

[HIV]

Great post. This is an interesting hand to think about, there were several lines you could take. I think I take ur line about 50% of the time, 3 bet the flop 30% of the time, and c/r the flop 20% of the time.. On the river I think you have to call, your just getting too good of odds, and he could have a hand like AT here enough to make the call.

[kurosh]

I'd like to hear why you guys think c/ring is superior to betting out on the flop. I think he does check behind at least some part of his range, Ax Kx maybe. A free turn is terrible for our hand here. Also, I think it makes the hand a lot easier to play and gives us more information.