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#101
04-24-2007, 12:36 PM
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Re: Hero Professor In Hell Right Now
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[ QUOTE ] the monstous idea [/ QUOTE ] Why is it monstrous? [/ QUOTE ] Its a value judgement. I judge the idea of a god who would condemn this man to eternal tourment as monstrous. You're welcome to judge it as nice warm and cuddly if you wish. These are statements about us. chez 
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#102
04-24-2007, 12:48 PM
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Its a value judgement. I judge the idea of a god who would condemn this man to eternal tourment as monstrous. [/ QUOTE ] What if someone else thinks it isn't?
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#104
04-24-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: Hero Professor In Hell Right Now
Atheists are granted such a wide spectrum of views and opinions just by the very nature of atheism. It's sort of an "every man choose for himself" situation.
What gives us the ability to not take the same view on Christianity. First, there are many different branches of Christianity... being a Catholic is different from being a Lutheren etc. Believing in Jesus does not mean that your beliefs in everything else are the same. Now, if you want to delve into a certain branch of Christianity then you can start talking about certain GROUPS' views of who goes to heaven and whatever the heck bothers you. But, as for me, i find it completely pointless to hear all of this referred to as "christian" from a catholic standpoint. Just as atheists all have their own views, so do christians. A persons views do not shape the religion they belong to.
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#105
04-24-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: Hero Professor In Hell Right Now
Since when do people need to be part of an organized religion to be nice?
That myth has gone on far too long. If there were a bunch of atheists going around killing everyone and only Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc... were being nice, then you might have a point.
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#106
04-24-2007, 01:35 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Its a value judgement. I judge the idea of a god who would condemn this man to eternal tourment as monstrous. [/ QUOTE ] What if someone else thinks it isn't? [/ QUOTE ] Well, it would be strong evidence that person is morally depraved. What's your point?
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#107
04-24-2007, 01:39 PM
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[ QUOTE ] the monstous idea [/ QUOTE ] Why is it monstrous? [/ QUOTE ] How do you resolve this... 1. It is unjust for this hero professor to burn in hell for eternity. 2. We would not even know that this was unjust if god didn't exist. 3. God is the one who condemns him to hell, and god is always just. Something doesn't add up.
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#108
04-24-2007, 01:51 PM
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Since when do people need to be part of an organized religion to be nice? That myth has gone on far too long. If there were a bunch of atheists going around killing everyone and only Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc... were being nice, then you might have a point. [/ QUOTE ] Can someone who wants to be nice today, please explain to ApeAttack why his logic has nothing to do with what I said?
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#109
04-24-2007, 01:59 PM
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Re: Hero Professor In Hell Right Now
Easy, say we don't have the wisdom to determine 1 and are unqualified to determine 2 and 3. NotReady has danced this dance many times. Throw in a dash of C.S. Lewis quotes and Einstein misrepresentations, and you have the perfect BS stew.
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#110
04-24-2007, 02:34 PM
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Its a value judgement. I judge the idea of a god who would condemn this man to eternal tourment as monstrous. What if someone else thinks it isn't? [/ QUOTE ] That's just fine, isn't it? Some do, some don't, the balance's just precarious enough to leave room for doubt... That's just one way to look at it though. [ QUOTE ] Something doesn't add up. [/ QUOTE ] Right. Why should it? Go forth and keep adding... 1 x 1 does not = 2. (Standard 'tuna babble today prolly. shrug.)
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