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#11
04-22-2007, 12:27 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
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If you 3-bet, you can't fold to a cap, since you are getting implied odds to spike a boat. The board isn't drawy, so you don't mind MP1 staying in on the flop, so call here and raise the turn. If MP1 wakes up, then I can dump it on the turn. If CO bet/reraises, then we are probably beaten and can fold the turn, or raise/call and fold the river. [/ QUOTE ] I like your line here. One thing I have a problem with, though, is your very first argument about odds. I think that you need to be cautious about justifying a call because of odds you have created because "I have made the pot bigger." This should not be a reason to 3-bet the flop. However, completely independent reasons to 3-bet this flop, then we can call a cap clearly because we have odds. Just FWIW. 
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#12
04-22-2007, 12:30 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
raise/call and folding the river is a bad line i think. The pot will be very juicy with all that action and although you'll be beat a fair amount of times i believe you will see TT-JJ enough times to justify calling there.
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#13
04-22-2007, 12:35 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
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[ QUOTE ] You know what I love about these forums? Objective input. This seemed like a pretty easy muck to me. But I might be wrong in thinking that. I just do not see anything but a Q pulling this sort of move when there's a CC'er trapped in the middle. Thanks for the input everyone. [ QUOTE ] Obviously you want to see a K and you hate any A or Q. [/ QUOTE ] I actually kind of like a Q. [/ QUOTE ] Because of the un-likelyhood of villain having a Q implied by a QQQ board? [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. And then I have the 3rd nuts - which is essentially the 2nd nuts because AA is unlikely here.
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#15
04-22-2007, 03:15 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
folding is bad here
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#16
04-22-2007, 04:13 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
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What is all the hype behind 3-betting? Call the flop and probably keep calling all the way. [/ QUOTE ] If you indeed have the best of it on the flop the 3 bet is intended to push out A's and PPs.
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#18
04-22-2007, 04:25 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
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[ QUOTE ] What is all the hype behind 3-betting? Call the flop and probably keep calling all the way. [/ QUOTE ] If you indeed have the best of it on the flop the 3 bet is intended to push out A's and PPs. [/ QUOTE ] Why would you want to do that? PPs have 2 outs against you, A's 3. I'm calling as well. Maybe I raise the turn or the river, but raising this flop just costs us money.
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#19
04-22-2007, 04:59 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
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Why would you want to do that? PPs have 2 outs against you, A's 3. I'm calling as well. Maybe I raise the turn or the river, but raising this flop just costs us money. [/ QUOTE ] huh? I'm having a hard time making sense of this. How does raising on the flop "just cost us money" while raising on the turn or river do not? Why on earth would we want to raise this on the Turn or River? - you already said you don't mind 2 or 3 outers drawing and we ain't raising it for value.
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#20
04-22-2007, 05:18 AM
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Re: I hope this one isn\'t obvious
Because losing 2 and 3 out draws are lost bets. That's generally, what "costing money" means.
Yes, we ARE raising it for value later on. Let's say someone has 77 and the turn and river is a blank. Will he call our raise? Pretty much. Even more so with TT, JJ or whatever. Also, raising here will lose Ax pretty much always on the turn. If we just call the turn, they might pay one more to see the river.
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