max buy-in in LA v. LV ... why???

[MrMore]

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Ocean's 11 in San Diego has a 1000max 5-5 NL game if you're willing to make the drive.

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I wouldn't advise making the drive. This game is run using the HORRENDOUS chained must move system. The result... the game is only good on your first table, so you might as well leave after you get moved.

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Why would this be true? Your second table will basically be made up of the same players as your first table. Everyone moves through the chain, and there's no reason to claim that any game in the chain is worse than any other. If anything, the youngest game in the chain will be the worst, because it will have the fewest chips on the table, and the fewest deeply stuck player.

[infinitopoker]

im a regular at the $40 at commerce and what I see and agree with others is that casinos in l.a do this maybe particularly because there is alot of new players every week and the $40 is a perfect game to learn to play N/L and not risk much. As stated above after the flop you might have committed about 50% of your stack. My game plan to this structure is usually play small bet poker when you first sit down or hope to double up quickly and once your at atleast $80 you can play more real poker. Another plan is once your in a good size pot and you sense weakness in your opponents, try bluffing your first $40, ive done it many times and it works. The $100 at commerce (wouldn't recommend) you'll usually be forced all in on your first $100. The $200 has more respect and the blind structure is A ok........$400 (haven't got there yet)

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I'd play rather loosely

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A few quick thoughts:

In the restricted buy-in games "session control" is key assuming you have some flexibility regarding how long you play.

By this I mean chips well beyond the fixed or restricted range are very hard to replace and can have an extremely high value. For example you doubled or tripled through a couple times early in a session and are $2000 deep in a Commerce 5/10 blind game. As mentioned this game has a $400 fixed buyin (although you can buy $600 after going busto and I think add $400 if below $200). That extra $1400 to $1600 in chips is precious if you are in a game with some lucky donkeys who have stacks similar to yours (and you play deep much better).

Now you don't want to risk your extra $1500 or so with a slight edge; if you wait and play well you can get the money in with a huge edge so those extra chips become very valuable. Meanwhile no empty seat can be filled by a talented deep stack; they must grind up with $400 to start. This sort of protects your game against sharks.

Conversely, if you can't build up a deep stack after six or seven hours consider going home a bit early unless the game is great.

Note that doesn't mean you don't sit down in a game with $400 when everybody else is deep since the game has been going a while. Often this is a great game where you can get good play on your buyin (as explained in the various short stack threads in the strategy forums). Here you can do a bit gambling with small to moderate edges since the chips can be replaced.

Hope this helps.

~ Rick

[RR]

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Ocean's 11 in San Diego has a 1000max 5-5 NL game if you're willing to make the drive.

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I wouldn't advise making the drive. This game is run using the HORRENDOUS chained must move system. The result... the game is only good on your first table, so you might as well leave after you get moved.

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Why would this be true? Your second table will basically be made up of the same players as your first table. Everyone moves through the chain, and there's no reason to claim that any game in the chain is worse than any other. If anything, the youngest game in the chain will be the worst, because it will have the fewest chips on the table, and the fewest deeply stuck player.

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This is almost the exact opposite of what is true. As you get further along a must move chain you get to the players that have avoided going bust. If you are in a "main game" there will be nobody walking by that wants to blow off some money and be on their way.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Ocean's 11 in San Diego has a 1000max 5-5 NL game if you're willing to make the drive.

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I wouldn't advise making the drive. This game is run using the HORRENDOUS chained must move system. The result... the game is only good on your first table, so you might as well leave after you get moved.

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Why would this be true? Your second table will basically be made up of the same players as your first table. Everyone moves through the chain, and there's no reason to claim that any game in the chain is worse than any other. If anything, the youngest game in the chain will be the worst, because it will have the fewest chips on the table, and the fewest deeply stuck player.

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Good points by "RR" Randy elsewhere in the thread. Another problem is the chained must move provides recreational players multiple opportunities to quit without making the proper donation. In other words, they are forced to leave a game that they may be enjoying. While they are in transit to the next game in the chain they often look over at the typically joyless grinders in the next chained game and decide going home would be a better idea.

My experience is that if we could look at all the chained must move games in the poker world rarely would we find the best game as the final game in the chain.

~ Rick

[otter]

I find that to be the case most of the time when there are must move games. It seems that the must move game always has better action than the main game