tricky turn spot with position and a bazillion outs

[Jay Riall]

Villains ply is pretty good vs. an aggro player like CAterp imo on hand 1.

I bet the turn in hand 2.

[illuminati]

Didn't notice the heart draw in hand 1. Makes it less spewy. I still like a check behind, though.

[Barrin6]

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Villains ply is pretty good vs. an aggro player like CAterp imo on hand 1.


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no , I would explain it but it would take too long. for simplicity sake, put yourself in caterp's shoes in hand 1 with AKo,KQ and that should help.

[binions]

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Are you prepared to start c-betting ~12 w/ AA/air in this same spot?

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Occasionally. Sets too.

[willw9]

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goddammit bilbo stop educating the fish! i like when people shove into my AK+ in that spot

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Easy now

[terp]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
7 Players
Lego Poker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $80.55
<font color="green">BB: $202.15</font>
UTG: $202
<font color="green">Hero (UTG+1): $203</font>
<font color="black">MP: $366.90</font>
CO: $171.30
BB (big blind): $0

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3, 6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, MP calls $7, 2 folds, BB calls $5

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22, 3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18</font>, MP folds, BB calls $18

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($58, 2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($58, 2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $40</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $178</font>, BB calls all-in for $137.15
Uncalled bet of $0.85 returned to Hero

Hero had T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and won (+$207.15)
BB had Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and lost (-$202.15)

Pot Size: $412.30 ($3 Rake)

hmmm also just noticed it says seven players? what's up with that tickner? thought you fixed it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[deaders]

nh

Just noticed, after someone pointed it out, that villain in hand one had hearts, definitely like the play vs an aggro 2p2er in that case.

[Shady_deuces]

I think any hand that is going to call a 44$ bet on turn would not have been calling and checking down. Therefore in this situation i will take a free card. But when i think my opponent has a hand that he is trying to protect and checks the turn, i will bet for value and semi bluff.

[aislephive]

LOL at people saying that villains play in hand 1 is terrible. It's called a semi-bluff. And AK is usually just a bluff catcher here after that action, honestly I'd expect most 2p2ers to have a set there pretty often, or a turned 12 out + draw.

Worse hands don't call, sure, but better hands do fold. And if AK calls, you've got 12 outs anyways, and it balances the times he flopped a set.

In this hand, I'd check the turn seeing as how fast he played his draw in the first hand.

[skier_5]

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LOL at people saying that villains play in hand 1 is terrible. It's called a semi-bluff. And AK is usually just a bluff catcher here after that action, honestly I'd expect most 2p2ers to have a set there pretty often, or a turned 12 out + draw.

Worse hands don't call, sure, but better hands do fold. And if AK calls, you've got 12 outs anyways, and it balances the times he flopped a set.

In this hand, I'd check the turn seeing as how fast he played his draw in the first hand.

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but why are we bluffing when 90%+ of the time he folds we have the best hand and we are pretty much crushed every time we are called?

just because we have a combo draw doesnt mean we should get it in.