Complicated situation - $1200 1-2 pot, live cash game

[Luke]

Call of the initial preflop raise is fine but the secondary call is terrible.

On the flop, if this was headsup then sure, go ahead and raise your big draw hoping to take it down right there. But in this case you are raising to win a DRY SIDE POT as you have ZERO FOLD EQUITY against the all-in short stack so just call and hope to hit your draw.

And as played, you need to call given pot odds and your equity.

By the way, I really any of these decisions are all that complicated, especially the straight pot odds decision at the end.

[orange]

pf is nasty.

i flat call the $50 on the flop.

[Weaktite77]

umm I don't know if the math regarding the bets make sense
you put in 72 preflop
you raise to 200 total on flop.
and its 425 to call, but you started with 800 before the hand?
doesn't this only add up to 700?
anyway, on the flop, i don't think your folding anything with a raise here. what legit hand that calls the short stack push bets into a dry sidepot here and folds to a raise?
IMO call flop.
and i don't think calling this pre is terrible, personally i wouldn't do it, but stacks are so deep i think calling is OK too.

[shpanko]

I think that the line "villain" took witih the 84s is a poor one. Most live players will never fold any sort of overpair so raising (especially with stacks this deep) is retarded. Why not just call, hit your flush or straight, and get paid?

As for you play with the 88 I would probably fold to the short-stacks push pf. Given that you didn't I wouln't mind an isolation raise to 150 or so. Once you get to the flop I'd bet a bit more. Hell there's over 200 in the pot and you bet 50? No wonder you got raised you bet less than a quarter of the pot. Bet like 120 on the flop and fold to further action.

As played once he raises to 200 I'd probably fold. But you have a read that this guy doesn't have a strong hand so pushing does seem like the best option. nh aside from the flop bet