25NL : JJ and a few questions.

[Kramer]

Sweir
I didn't say C/F turn was the best line but I will take it sometimes. This is why I posted this to see how everybody plays JJ OOP v unknown or some other 25NL guy.I olso asked what you think about it.

Board: 2h 9d Ts 5c
Hand 0: 49.749% 49.06% 00.69% 9390 132.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 50.251% 49.56% 00.69% 9486 132.00 { 77+, 22, ATs, KTs, QTs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, JTo, T9o }

CO's range could be wide PF but what % of that range do you think calls our 3-bet PF and our lead on the FLOP?
I don't think he is floating with AK,AQ and other [censored] and on the TURN I don't think that we are that WA ...


Board: 2h 9d Ts 5c
Hand 0:43.313% 42.35% 00.96% 5814 132.00 { JJ }
Hand 1:56.687% 55.73% 00.96% 7650 132.00 { 77+, 22, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s }

Only when I add QT,AT,KT,JT (s/o) to his range we are in a better shape

At 25NL I don't have a large 3betting range from the blinds.
I've made some moves at some point and when I saw they wold never fold I realised it was not very profitable to play agains them OOP .I don't have to 3-bet a 30/14/1.5 that much from the blinds.
They don't fold that often and I end up in a big pot OOP and can't put him on a range.

About CB flop I think I will do it with a lot of hands I've raised PF.

[Kramer]

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Without reading other replies:

1)

A & B) Easy 3bet to say 2.25. Obv lead flop on both hands with ~3/5 PSB. Without reads or cards it's kinda hard to come up with a line for the entire hand.

2) Yes.

What reason would you have to lead lead the flop on any of these scenarios? If the CO is 30/14/1.5 and he calls or raises your flop lead then you put him on a range and proceed from there.

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Reads.. I told you .. either first hand at the table or a 30/14/1.5 25NL dude (dadamined stats)
Bet FLOP , then what is the plan on the TURN ?

[wslee00]

based on the board you gave, looks like c/r ai is the best answer.

[SoulPower]

Being the first orbit at the table or against a 30/14/1.5 doesn't change my line much either way. Neither read gives you any reason to think the CO is going to get way out of line or is just plain bad.

Assuming he calls PF; on the first hand I'm leading the flop for ~3. If he just calls you have $19.75 behind and a $10.60 pot(math might be off). I'd start to narrow his range to 78, T9, QJ, 22, 99, TT and maybe AK, JJ+ (not very narrow). Regardless of the turn, I getting it all in at any point with a reason to think the villian would stack off with a worse pair.

IMO, checking the turn is bad. There are many draws in his range and there many cards that could fall on the river that will put you in a horrible spot by filling one his possible draws or by killing any action. Yeah, its possible the flop call is a float, but this is $25NL so I think you have to heavily discount that.

If the turn is a blank I'm leading for $5. If he calls that you have a $20.60 pot with $14.75 behind. I really don't think you can put him on 88 or A10 at that point and I would probably C/F river as long as his bet was the least bit strong. That might be bad, but what are we ahead of here that justifies us calling when he puts us in and we're getting a little over 2:1?

[disk189]

although a c/r ai is a smart safer choice wouldn't you want to just find where you are by betting and showing some aggressiveness in the hand?

[Sweir]

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Sweir
I didn't say C/F turn was the best line but I will take it sometimes. This is why I posted this to see how everybody plays JJ OOP v unknown or some other 25NL guy.I olso asked what you think about it.

Board: 2h 9d Ts 5c
Hand 0: 49.749% 49.06% 00.69% 9390 132.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 50.251% 49.56% 00.69% 9486 132.00 { 77+, 22, ATs, KTs, QTs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, JTo, T9o }

CO's range could be wide PF but what % of that range do you think calls our 3-bet PF and our lead on the FLOP?
I don't think he is floating with AK,AQ and other [censored] and on the TURN I don't think that we are that WA ...


Board: 2h 9d Ts 5c
Hand 0:43.313% 42.35% 00.96% 5814 132.00 { JJ }
Hand 1:56.687% 55.73% 00.96% 7650 132.00 { 77+, 22, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s }

Only when I add QT,AT,KT,JT (s/o) to his range we are in a better shape

At 25NL I don't have a large 3betting range from the blinds.
I've made some moves at some point and when I saw they wold never fold I realised it was not very profitable to play agains them OOP .I don't have to 3-bet a 30/14/1.5 that much from the blinds.
They don't fold that often and I end up in a big pot OOP and can't put him on a range.

About CB flop I think I will do it with a lot of hands I've raised PF.

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You say "a lot of hands", which hands would you not cbet?

Also you say you will sometimes C/F this, considering the ranges and EV we have I am unsure as to why?

I think that CO's raising range is relatively wide as it is folded round to him on the CO so he will be raising significantly more than the PFR of 14 might indicate. You also said that you dont 3bet much as villians like this are allways calling, or something along the lines, yet you imply that his range would be fairly tight after calling the 3bet and cbet....

If you are cbetting this flop 100% of the time, which I think you should be doing against this villian, and you say that he will call your 3bet with most of his PF raising range, then his range looks pretty wide to me.