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Old 03-02-2007, 05:37 PM
moldman moldman is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

All of you people really fold QTs to a button raiser? Hmm.. I figured that was about the only standard part of the whole hand.
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Old 03-02-2007, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

no value in raising, villian is either bluffing or has you tied or beat, i dont see a raise here.
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Old 03-02-2007, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

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All of you people really fold QTs to a button raiser? Hmm.. I figured that was about the only standard part of the whole hand.

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It is standard. This forum is just full of a bunch of nits. In fact these are my favorite types of hands to 3 bet blind stealers with.

To people who said what hands do we beat that call a raise - basically any pocket pair is not folding. Zeebo in effect. The Q basically becomes do we think vilian has JJ+. If we can safely eliminate JJ+ from villians range we HAVE to raise here.

Its tough to say w/out being at the table, so it comes doen to OPs read.
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Old 03-02-2007, 09:09 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

Folding preflop is extremely nitty. Don't be a nit.
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

id 3-bet this preflop before i would fold it
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

There's just one hand that this is consistent with villains pattern IMHO - that is 66. Everything else is played tricky. I probably just call here.

Preflop my view is that "3betting == folding >> calling".
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:12 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

easy river call, I'm sure he has AT or AKish
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

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Fold preflop. (not a joke)

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I agree. QTs OOP heads up in a raise pot = spew.

Just give up the bb and move on.

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I agree as well, nothing we know about villian says he will steal on the button. After only 50 hands he could easily have had 5 good hands to raise giving him a prf of 10%. Also, his 1% AF makes him look more like an ABC player.

If you had more reliable data and knew he was a blind stealer you could raise him, but here you don't so it is an easy fold pf. Keep watching him. Better to steal someone else's blind than to defend yours here.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

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call because you made such a horribly weak bet on the river and you havent shown any strength whatsoever

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You under-represented your hand and now you are in a tough spot, weak line = tough call
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Raised on river... what to do?

Q10s is definately worth taking a flop with against a button raise when you are gettin 2/1. I think check call is a better line on river though.
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