Leave the table?

[James.]

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I usually just get stuck and play for ten hours trying to get even.

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that's funny.

fwiw bob, and this may have been mentioned, i usually stay away from the tables with 4 or more on the waiting list. if i do put my name on, i may scout it throughout my session to make sure the donators are still present. if they leave(as they often do by the time it reaches you as the 4th in line), i just remove myself from the list or decline the seat when it opens.

[Kalledrengen]

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You already "won" your SB. So basically, I look at this as freerolling for an orbit.

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I agree, I also think of this as a freeroll in the first orbit rather than a small profit. Take the "free ride" at least till you are UTG and by then you probably have small idea how the table is, and who knows, you might have gotten some rockets on the way around! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[elindauer]

Imagine a game where you didn't have to post the big blind. How profitable would this game be? Even filled with rocks (a perfectly profitably situation in itself, by the way), you should crush this game.

Well, this is exactly the game you get to play right now, for one round. Leaving now is silly.

Unless I'm sitting on your left and will get to skip the big blind if you leave. Then by all means, go ahead. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-eric

[elindauer]

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You already "won" your SB. So basically, I look at this as freerolling for an orbit.

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So by this logic, a 2/4 player who wins $150 in a session would be wise to sit down in a 100/200 game for one round and "freeroll" as he looks for aces? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You got the right answer, but for the wrong reason, IMO. Previous results have no bearing on our decision to stay or go.

-eric

[Harv72b]

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You already "won" your SB. So basically, I look at this as freerolling for an orbit.

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So by this logic, a 2/4 player who wins $150 in a session would be wise to sit down in a 100/200 game for one round and "freeroll" as he looks for aces? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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No. But if that 2/4 player were foolish enough to sit at the 100/200 table and were then given a walk after posting in the BB, then he should play out the rest of his orbit. Although that would be a slightly different situation, as the $50 that he would have "won" with that walk represents more than 10 BBs in his usual game.

The OP tells us that we suspect that this table is no longer good, but we can't be sure. We also can't be sure that, even if it does suck now, a rock or two might leave during our one orbit and be replaced by a known donor. Since the 1/2 SB makes no difference whatsoever to our bankroll, it would be foolish to leave the table now and pass up our chance for a "free" orbit. Much the same as it would be a mistake to stand up after folding on the button in a full game.

This is even more true if we believe that, even in a rock garden, we still have a +EV situation (albeit less +EV than we could expect at a better table).

[Black_Angler]

What you are talking about is just a simple version of a stop loss strategy. You've "already" made the money you are going to average so you just leave? One thing I have noticed about online play vs. live play is that players tend to hop alot more. This means that there might be a lot of fresh live money coming in pretty soon and as stated previously many times in this string the one orbit idea isn't a bad one.

I've also noticed that the action players love to run over a table, so they will often look for a tight table when it's time to take a seat. Moreover, these action players don't always know the difference between a tight aggressive player and a tight passive player, so they could easily confuse you for just another tight passy that they can run over, especially on a table full of tighty whiteys.

When I have a tight table like that (this goes for live play too but especially in an online environment where players hop around) I steal a few blinds here and there just trying to scrape up a little bit, and I wait. Sure enough, sooner or later, here comes Mr Action and I let him run me over a couple times, maybe toss out a few blinds. Sooner or later, this guy will make the tight players uncomfy so as some of them leave I obtain a seat that has excellent relative position (depending on my strategy). Then I begin to play back at him and pummel the poor sucker, which more often then not makes him tilt (especially on the lower limits) while at the same time makes the tight passive players that are left want to "stay out of it" which means I can go heads up an awful lot with a tilting loose aggressive player. Oh the joy oh the joy!!

The point is, sometimes, in an online environment you have to have a strategy for the table, not just a way to play the status quo but rather a way to play the evolving table.

[Guruman]

i just tend to start new tables. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Allday Everyday]

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i just tend to start new tables.

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IMO, this is an excellent way to find good games. In my experience loose, gambling players don't really like to join waiting lists. When a FR game gets going from a very SH gaame, I find they are often full of loose players and will often have the SH atmosphere about them long after they turn to FR.

[elindauer]

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The OP tells us that we suspect that this table is no longer good, but we can't be sure. We also can't be sure that, even if it does suck now, a rock or two might leave during our one orbit and be replaced by a known donor. Since the 1/2 SB makes no difference whatsoever to our bankroll, it would be foolish to leave the table now and pass up our chance for a "free" orbit. Much the same as it would be a mistake to stand up after folding on the button in a full game.

This is even more true if we believe that, even in a rock garden, we still have a +EV situation (albeit less +EV than we could expect at a better table).

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These are all good reasons, and like I said, continuing to play is the right move. If you'd said this in your first post, I wouldn't have said anything! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

But you said this:

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You already "won" your SB. So basically, I look at this as freerolling for an orbit.


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and I couldn't resist pointing out that this logic is bad, even though it happens to lead to the right conclussion. Your follow up reasons are much better.

-eric

[Bob T.]

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i just tend to start new tables.


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IMO, this is an excellent way to find good games. In my experience loose, gambling players don't really like to join waiting lists. When a FR game gets going from a very SH gaame, I find they are often full of loose players and will often have the SH atmosphere about them long after they turn to FR.

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I agree. I rememeber, just barely, because it was a long time ago [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], when I was starting out, and one of the hardest things that I had to deal with, was a full handed game, that got short, and then got full again. I made the switch to shorthanded play, but then when the game filled back up, I couldn't shift gears again.

I'm sure that there are players who jump into shorthanded situations, and then when the game fills up, are unable to switch to a style compatible with full ring.

The only thing to be careful when you start games, is that sometimes, the second player in the game is a shorthanded specialist, and they might play shorthanded very well, until the game starts to fill, and then they move on to another shorthanded game.