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#21
02-19-2007, 10:49 AM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
Fish - Reraising KK is more standard than calling with it right? So happens more often right?
Shoving turn will fold TT, Get called by QQ, Get called by a LESS STANDARD KK. 12 combos of sets, AK folds, 6 combos of QQ. AP - His AF says he's passive, so he'll rarely raise with one pair, so when im behind i expect a call. I think my reads perfectly fine, the fact he checked with top set shows it, its not even results orientated as i played the hand this way due that my read/such deep stacks/i rarely doubt he ever have KK here/Hes PASSIVE. anyhow we're going round in circles - thx for feedback 
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#22
02-19-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
range {AK-AQ with 2 diamonds, 99-QQ}
I don't want to give free cards and I still think we can get called by hands we beat so I bet 1/2 pot on the turn. Honestly against such a villain I just keep betting till villain says to stop. I don't like that turn card but it won't stop me from still betting. On an aside I make it $15 preflop.
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#23
02-19-2007, 02:19 PM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
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Fish - Reraising KK is more standard than calling with it right? So happens more often right? Shoving turn will fold TT, Get called by QQ, Get called by a LESS STANDARD KK. 12 combos of sets, AK folds, 6 combos of QQ. AP - His AF says he's passive, so he'll rarely raise with one pair, so when im behind i expect a call. I think my reads perfectly fine, the fact he checked with top set shows it, its not even results orientated as i played the hand this way due that my read/such deep stacks/i rarely doubt he ever have KK here/Hes PASSIVE. anyhow we're going round in circles - thx for feedback [/ QUOTE ] No, you are being results oriented because you played this hand terrible. HE WILL FLAT CALL KK PREFLOP HERE A TON! Fish don't hardly ever 3 or 4 bet, especially this kind of villain. Unless you've seen him 4 betting AA/KK assuming he would is awful. Look, I'm just trying to help you out. If you think this hand was played optimally then I don't know what to tell you but you're dead wrong. You played the hand scared and defensively and went overboard on pot control, which worked here because the dude turned a set, but that's not the point. Your river check call is just dubious mang. If he is passive wtf is he going to bet at the end? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BET BET BET INTO PASSIVE PLAYERS FFS!
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#26
02-19-2007, 04:03 PM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
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LOL, take a deep breath... do you bet turn if K hits? Holdem - So what do you do if he raises turn, felt it? [/ QUOTE ] A K didn't hit. Stop worrying so much about possible scenarios that could have happened.
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#27
02-19-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
I like to think about tough spots and discuss them with players, hence i posted it.
Saying "Dont think about tough hands" seems pretty close minded, posted another hand just for you AP <3 <3 [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#29
02-19-2007, 04:14 PM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
Maybe i over estimate opponents thoughts, although id kick myself if i got stacked on this hand.
K on turn means all the underpairs may find it tough to call, i think thats makes it more interesting.
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#30
02-19-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: $100 Overpair vs passive
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do you bet turn if K hits? [/ QUOTE ] Turn: ($67) K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (2 players) </font> Hero puts villian square on K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. This hand is now in villians range as it allows monsters to be under the bed. Hero checks, villian checks. River: ($67) Blank <font color="blue"> (2 players) </font> Hero checks wanting villian to value bet his hand for him on the few occasions villian is behind Hero. Villian checks. Showdown: Villians shows A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for TPTK Hero's hand is good, wins pot of $67.
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