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Old 02-14-2007, 08:36 PM
Tony.T Tony.T is offline
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Default Re: I have Kings, but I don\'t like the bet and call in front of me

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The pot is freakin huge and you've got the best hand most of the time -- just stick it in.

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Old 02-14-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: I have Kings, but I don\'t like the bet and call in front of me

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The pot is freakin huge and you've got the best hand most of the time -- just stick it in.

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srsly, it's not like if you call they're gonna think you have ak. at least you might get the fish to make a hero call with jj or something if you push. baluga can easily have 99 here but i think he needs to fold 33 and 44 pf, and maybe 99 too depending on how often u are squeezing. come to think of it you don't really beat too much of his range(baluga's) but it's such a situation where if you're beat there's really nothing u can do because baluga might peel the flop lightly since u checked and the donk can be betting a wide range and ur hand is under-repped etc. etc. if stacks were deeper it'd be a lot more interesting.
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Old 02-14-2007, 09:54 PM
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go all in.
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Old 02-14-2007, 10:09 PM
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Just shove back, you have Baluga beat, unless he has 99 (and he'd probably raise this flop too).I wouldn't worry too much about the other player.
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Old 02-14-2007, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: I have Kings, but I don\'t like the bet and call in front of me

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come to think of it you don't really beat too much of his range(baluga's)

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Really? What do you see in his range, based on the preflop action, that makes you think the OP is beat unless he has 99. I cannot see AA playing this way, and cannot see him having 44 or 33. I think his range definitely includes TT-QQ and possibly AsKs (although the action is a bit odd for this as well).
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Old 02-14-2007, 10:28 PM
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I'd bet like $420 on flop.. I hate to check here... giving 2 other people a chance in a semi-big pot like this to draw out on u is asking for trouble. As played, definetely check raise all in.
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Old 02-14-2007, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: I have Kings, but I don\'t like the bet and call in front of me

OP ended up flatcalling which is by far the worst option

i had a pretty weak hand and my plan was basically to improve and stack OP at the very least or put no more money in once he overcalled on the flop
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:26 AM
Soul Rebel Soul Rebel is offline
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The more I think about this spot, the more I like the flop cr-push. I think it is far more likely that if you check, one of these guys will try to pick up this big pot. Whereas if you bet, there is a much smaller chance that you will get raised. I think its important to get as much in on this flop as possible, and a cr-ai accomplishes that much more often than a bet/3bet line. The CR line also has the best chance of getting TT, JJ, and QQ to commit. And sometimes the cr-push will be interpreted as the AK flush draw, which is a nice bonus when it happens.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: I have Kings, but I don\'t like the bet and call in front of me

Thank you for all the responses. As I said, in my OP, I was planning on check-raising Trish (although it seems a lead is better). I guess I was just extremely bewildered. For one I was pretty stunned that I was called by two people for $160 (though I guess Baluga could call w/ anything w/ the huge pot and juicy odds). But then, on the flop when Trish bet out $250, and Baluga quickly called (seemingly having no fear of what I, as the preflop 3-better, would do after his call), I froze like a deer in headlights. I just couldnt see Baluga putting in 160 preflop, and smooth-calling 250 on teh flop w/o a monster (i.e.-flopped a set), since he still didn't know what I would do (unless of course he just viewed me as squeezing preflop too often w/ rags, and just had no fear of me whatsoever). But flat-calling with, say 77, w/o knowing what the preflop raiser is going to do is pretty dicey, no?

As for the rest of the hand, I over-called. 5 of diamonds came on teh turn. Check-check-check. River was an ugly Ace (of clubs I beleive). I checked, Trishi insta-pushed. Baluga and I folded.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:33 PM
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Ew.
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