Very strange action with KK, facing sudden bet on the river

blackize · #1 01-31-2007, 10:06 PM

Yeah....did you read the post? It's a situation where a 22/18 is 3betting light. If that is the case, he isn't paying you off with a worse hand. Add to that the fact that a flat call SCREAMS big hand and it makes it even more likely you get anything more out of any hand you beat.

friend_ · #2 01-31-2007, 10:09 PM

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Yeah....did you read the post? It's a situation where a 22/18 is 3betting light. If that is the case, he isn't paying you off with a worse hand. Add to that the fact that a flat call SCREAMS big hand and it makes it even more likely you get anything more out of any hand you beat.

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QQ and JJ will fold to shove, but he may pay with them postflop if i just call.
So, you think shove is more deceptive?

blackize · #3 01-31-2007, 10:25 PM

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QQ and JJ will fold to shove, but he may pay with them postflop if i just call.
So, you think shove is more deceptive?

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You really think that he's going nuts with QQ or JJ on a 9 high board against a 20ish/17ish player(I'm guessing your stats) who COLD CALLED a 3bet pf? I certainly don't.

And no I don't think it is more deceptive, I think it is the best way to avoid trapping yourself. I think by cold calling you telegraph your hand just as if you had 4bet all in and you'll end up stacking off on J or Q high flops much more often than you stack him on a 9xx flop.

Edit: ANd I think a lot of the time against a player like this you get action with a pf shove when he says "ADSASDASDASD I'VE GOT QQ/AK I CAN'T FOLD!"

Dan Bitel · #4 01-31-2007, 10:34 PM

QQ/JJ/AK never fold preflop to by [censored] 4-bets!
Not saying you need to 4bet, just saying that its fine. I mean, are your really COLD CALLING anything except AA/KK for $44?????

The flop check is OK. Pretend we are scared/have AK etc etc.

On the turn, I think we gotta bet stronger.

River fold is just just just OK i guess (giving him a range of JJ+ and some 9s and giving less weight to QQ), but im prob getting my money in earlier than river tbh

The.Accountant · #5 01-31-2007, 10:38 PM

I was thinking that you should just shove preflop as well.

If he folds, you probaly weren't going to get paid off postflop unless you were beat anyway.