dumb turn spot vs. schneids

[DING-DONG YO]

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SB is an idiot

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doesn't mean he doesn't have a hand.

[danzasmack]

yeah but more likely he is way behind us right now, no?

[joker122]

"B - There are two other players in the hand instead of 1."

this is a big reason to 3bet imo. you're getting overlay from sb who is almost def. behind PB.

[milesdyson]

But SB should also prevent Schneids from making certain raises that he would make heads up with Bob.

It seems that for 3-betting to be right, Schneids has to have way more worse hands than is realistic. Three way on this board it doesn't seem like any good player is going to play too far from 100% honest, and I don't see why preflop has to carry over onto a big bet street when there are still three players. Any AhXh is in his range as well as probably any AQ. With that many better hands possible, you have to come up with a lot of worse stuff to make 3-betting right. What worse hands are there? I see a ton of splitting hands, and yeah we're free rolling when SB doesn't have the Ah, but the value there is fairly slim. So where are all these worse hands?

[Entity]

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"B - There are two other players in the hand instead of 1."

this is a big reason to 3bet imo. you're getting overlay from sb who is almost def. behind PB.

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You need to be ahead of Schneids often for that overlay to be worth anything.

Rob

[milesdyson]

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"B - There are two other players in the hand instead of 1."

this is a big reason to 3bet imo. you're getting overlay from sb who is almost def. behind PB.

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You need to be ahead of Schneids often for that overlay to be worth anything.

Rob

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What would your quick guess be for how often we are ahead of Schneids (not just freerolling another Q) on the turn?

[Entity]

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"B - There are two other players in the hand instead of 1."

this is a big reason to 3bet imo. you're getting overlay from sb who is almost def. behind PB.

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You need to be ahead of Schneids often for that overlay to be worth anything.

Rob

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What would your quick guess be for how often we are ahead of Schneids (not just freerolling another Q) on the turn?

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We might be ahead 10%. I really haven't seen how Schneids plays vs bob other than a few select threads where he got spazzy on good boards to get spazzy. This isn't a good board to get spazzy. The majority of the time he has AQ/KQ here. I doubt he has a 4-outer hand often at all, but there will be sometimes where he'll have a spazzy semibluff or a set/2pr hand. Just a guess off the top of my head and really depends on recent game conditions.

Rob

[milesdyson]

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We might be ahead 10%.

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This was my guess as well.

[Part_Time]

How often will schneids call on flop and raise the turn and what does this usually mean he has?

I think we're winning or splitting right now higher than 10% and with a better redraw than schneids. What's wrong with 3 betting then and taking along SB for ride and if you're 4-bet just calling down?

[PokerBob]

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I think we're winning or splitting right now higher than 10% and with a better redraw than schneids. What's wrong with 3 betting then and taking along SB for ride and if you're 4-bet just calling down?

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because i may be killed by AQ or Axhh and I cannot fold. plus if schneids has a hand like KT, I will likely not get paid on the river.