Staying clocked in when you're not playing: Standard or unethical?

[RR]

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where the f do u people on this board come from, worrying about stealing from a casino, everyone does it except people on 2+2 which doesnt surprise me. Not only do i do it, but i sign my dad in 2 and sign him out to rip them off even more. f em

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It is this attitude that causes casinos to cut off poker players. Poker rooms used to comp cigerettes if you smoked. They had to stop because the non-smokers took them and could sell them. Stealing from the casino reinforces the image of poker players as people they woudl rather not have in their casino.

[Sevenfold]

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uh totally standard for almost any regular. You really want to get them good move up a limit or 2 make sure you get clocked in for it then clock out later [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Exploting comp loop holes is so standard. We as poker players don't get much anyway might as well take what we can get.

If you figure food and stuff like that into your bankroll it makes more sense since you can grab a sando or something and save your self 5-6 bucks a session and count it like pseudo rake back.

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You guys sure aren't providing me any concensus answers here [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Basically, I value my reputation a lot, especially since I post here under my real name and don't try to hide much. I would never want to do anything to ruin my rep or make people think that I am a thief, which is why I reacted so much when called that earlier in the thread. However, if this is a standard loophole that 90% of regulars take advantage of and the floor generally doesn't care at all, then I have no moral problems doing that. If the floor cares at all or if far less people do it, then I'd probably have a moral issue with it.

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You seem to want permission to do something you know/feel is wrong.

It is easy to do, but does that make it right?

I have had the floor give me extra time, or added a few hours to my card. No problem.

But if you are sneaking around to get an extra ham sandwich, is it worth it?

A reputation is a fragile thing, and it is obviously very important to you. I'd take the high road.

All that being said, if you buddy up to a floor guy and ask him about the policy, and he gives you a wink and a nod, I'd have no problem doing it.

[SA125]

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At other places they only reset the computers once a week or so.

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Taj also does it early in the AM so I'd guess any decent size room would do the same.

Of all the posts I've seen about do gooding, and a guy called one of my replies 7th Heavenish, this is the worst. The rooms know what the deal is. Why bring it up here? As it is, Borg poker comps expire after 6 mos. Use them or lose them. At least Taj keeps them there for you.

[BK1248]

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where the f do u people on this board come from, worrying about stealing from a casino, everyone does it except people on 2+2 which doesnt surprise me. Not only do i do it, but i sign my dad in 2 and sign him out to rip them off even more. f em

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It is this attitude that causes casinos to cut off poker players. Poker rooms used to comp cigerettes if you smoked. They had to stop because the non-smokers took them and could sell them. Stealing from the casino reinforces the image of poker players as people they woudl rather not have in their casino.

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i feel so bad for the casinos, they cashed in my moms WIC checks when we were young and we couldnt eat. f em

[Waterfall]

I'm sure the Casino more than makes up for the people doing this from all the people who either don't have a card or forget to swipe out. I dont go out of my way to do it but if I can squeeze out an hour or 2 here and there why the hell not, Im jst gonna be spending my points in the Casino anyways.

[AKQJ10]

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i hate to be a moral relativist, because this is definitely unethical, but casinos are so predatory and scummy that i say f em.

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By the same token, you must not think that there's any ethical inhibition to picking up a handful of high-denomination chips from the tray, stuffing them in your pocket, and running for the door. Sure, there are practical inhibitions -- security will tackle you before you make it far from the poker room, and your chances of cashing your "winnings" out at the cage are nil. But ethically speaking, it's just taking from the scummy, which is OK. Right?

Moreover, since the casinos are so horrible as to deserve to be stolen from, you must have a huge problem with supporting them by playing in their games and helping generate rake, yes? Maybe you're willing to overlook that because you enjoy playing poker and make money at it, but if you really felt so strongly about the casinos you'd find another hobby or career.

[urko888_]

I stay clocked in the entire day I am at a casino. It is the only form of Rake Back poker players get so you are pretty much forced to squeeze as much out of it as you can.

[jba]

for those that think this i terrible, how do you feel about the following:

- blackjack card counting. not even close to illegal, but most casinos will ban you if you are good and they know what you're up to.

- blackjack hole carding. for those not familiar with this, it is possible to find sloppy BJ dealers that partially or fully expose the dealers hole card. This is also perfectly legal (assuming the dealer isn't in on it).

<font color="white">haha I said sloppy bj</font>

standard or unethical?

[mrkilla]

Go with your gut then , if you don't feel its right then don't do it. Personally I would do it unless told other wise. As TT said most rooms know about it and don't really care (Floors and Dealers care very little about how many free grilled cheese you get at the deli)

[Buckeyes]

Depending on what state you play in, card counting in black jack can be illegal.