NL 10 Q2o freeplay in BB

[Unknown Soldier]

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I do think not betting the flop in this spot is good. I don't want to play this hand in this spot. The reason why I considered playing this hand from the turn is because I am last to act and UTG seems like he is stealing. I have some shodown value so I call.

The problem I see here with betting out is that if you get called you are OOP on the turn. I think pot control is important with such a hand, but protection is too though. The problem though is that you don't want to bloat the pot with such a marginal holding.
Q2o...hello reverse implied odds.

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well said

[Yo'Maha]

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I'm not betting this flop, you wont get any info, so many diamonds and queens will call.



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Interesting.....Keep playing weak poker and you'll be in this situation often. Not knowing where you stand at all in a hand really doesn't get you anywhere in this game.

I bet the flop all day.

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o.k. you bet and 2, maybe 3 players call... uh oh. What now? c/f? thats weak!, lead the turn aswell, and the river! Oh dear one of your opponents has QT, and you've lost a big pot. Small hands small pots, big hands big pots.

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Other than the last sentence, this is some of the worst advice you'll find on this forum. It costs you between .25 and .50 to take a stab to see where you stand in this hand on the flop. You have TPLK.

Of course you fold if you are raised or called multi-way and bet on the turn....that's a no-brainer - but also may not be always correct based on your table reads, image, etc..

But now that fold is based on real information - gained through a little cheap agression.

To flop Top Pair OOP and not at least probe the pot when its not inflated just makes no sense.

[IceMuncher]

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I'm not betting this flop, you wont get any info, so many diamonds and queens will call.



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Interesting.....Keep playing weak poker and you'll be in this situation often. Not knowing where you stand at all in a hand really doesn't get you anywhere in this game.

I bet the flop all day.

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o.k. you bet and 2, maybe 3 players call... uh oh. What now? c/f? thats weak!, lead the turn aswell, and the river! Oh dear one of your opponents has QT, and you've lost a big pot. Small hands small pots, big hands big pots.

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Other than the last sentence, this is some of the worst advice you'll find on this forum. It costs you between .25 and .50 to take a stab to see where you stand in this hand on the flop. You have TPLK.

Of course you fold if you are raised or called multi-way and bet on the turn....that's a no-brainer - but also may not be always correct based on your table reads, image, etc..

But now that fold is based on real information - gained through a little cheap agression.

To flop Top Pair OOP and not at least probe the pot when its not inflated just makes no sense.

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TPNK is a very marginal hand 5-way, and betting it OOP on a monotone flop makes me gag. You're not getting any information from betting here, since you'll get callers a large majority of the time, from hands you beat and hands you don't. Betting here is spew.

You are away that there are 3 diamonds on the flop, right? With 4 other players in the hand? With TPNK? Check out our equity vs 4 completely random hands on this flop

Hand 1: Qh2c 23.927%%

How do you play post flop if a K,A, or any diamond comes down and someone called? How do you play it if any card comes down and someone called? How often do you think you'll win it with a bluff on the flop?

[Yo'Maha]

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How do you play post flop if a K,A, or any diamond comes down and someone called? How do you play it if any card comes down and someone called? How often do you think you'll win it with a bluff on the flop?

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Really can't answer any of that monotone rubbish without any information. But knowing that most of this advice comes from nits who play 8-tables at a time.....your advice makes sense.

I'm just talking about poker. And in poker, aggression allows you to gather information and make informed decisions. But if you just hit the fold button on eight tables, wait for a monster, and then throw some numbers into a calculator.......then you're probably right - betting here strictly on that basis is -EV. Unfortunately, I play poker and probing the pot here always makes sense.

Define your hand. See where your opponents are. Make their decisions tougher. Assist your image. Drop to a raise. What does that cost you.....?

These are all concepts you'll learn when you put down the calculator, actually drive to a casino, and PLAY POKER.

OP - Don't play weak/passive as the advice in this thread would suggest. Bet the flop, fold to aggression. Take control of the hand or get out. Easy as pie........

[Losfer]

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I'm not betting this flop, you wont get any info, so many diamonds and queens will call.



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Interesting.....Keep playing weak poker and you'll be in this situation often. Not knowing where you stand at all in a hand really doesn't get you anywhere in this game.

I bet the flop all day.

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I think I prefer the hand the way it was played. Why do you think checking doesn't give you any information?

Betting out is fine too, as long as you willing to get away from the hand quickly.

I guess the reason I prefer the check is that you want to keep this pot small. Plus, I don't care about giving a free card, because I don't care if I have to fold. The pot is pretty small and there is no reason to set your self up for a big loss.

[Losfer]

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Really can't answer any of that monotone rubbish without any information. But knowing that most of this advice comes from nits who play 8-tables at a time.....your advice makes sense.

I'm just talking about poker. And in poker, aggression allows you to gather information and make informed decisions. But if you just hit the fold button on eight tables, wait for a monster, and then throw some numbers into a calculator.......then you're probably right - betting here strictly on that basis is -EV. Unfortunately, I play poker and probing the pot here always makes sense.

Define your hand. See where your opponents are. Make their decisions tougher. Assist your image. Drop to a raise. What does that cost you.....?

These are all concepts you'll learn when you put down the calculator, actually drive to a casino, and PLAY POKER.

OP - Don't play weak/passive as the advice in this thread would suggest. Bet the flop, fold to aggression. Take control of the hand or get out. Easy as pie........

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I would like you to clarify what you mean when you say you get information from betting in this particulary hand?

I understand that if you bet and everyone fold, then you win the pot. So there is a plus for betting. However, what I gather is the main point of your argument is that you get this great information from betting when someone calls you. Exactly what do we know when we this happens?

Thanks.

[Yo'Maha]

Obviously, every book you will ever find will tell you this is a fold. 75% of the time, this is a hand that doesn't even enter your phsyche. You check out of the blind....and fold to any bet.

But here, OP posted for a reason.........My thoughts for a perfect way to use this hand, other than the standard line are, when the pot was unraised preflop and you hit TPLK, regardless of your kicker or the texture of the flop.....bet into it. See where everyone is at.

You are not only gathering information about where you are in the current hand, but if you can buy a cheap showdown...win or lose - you gain information on the player that took you there as well. Not guaranteed, but by no means impossible.

The pot's not raised so it's not costing you anything. 75% of the time, you're getting away from that hand when someone calls or especially raises.

But to just quote every starting hand philosophy in the world and tell OP to fold, just doesn't inspire any thought. My line here is to define my Nut Flush, my Flush Draw, My TPTK, My Set, My whatever - and probe the table and probe the pot.

If I'm raised into - I fold. Now I've helped my image a tad by saying, "look - I'll bet into a draw or lower made hand and fold to aggression". You can use that later on.

If I'm called by one or more players, I'll decide by the next card and the subsequent action what I want to do here.

But I'll tell you - I will usually continue Cbetting into those callers if a total blank hits on the turn. I'll fold to a reraise obviously......but TP here can make money against the Nut Flush Draw, or a lower made flush.

If I'm checked down to the river, or called down with small Cbets....I get to push my image the other way. "That guy raised with Qx into a flush board OOP all the way to the river?"

Didn't cost me much - cause I was called each time....Then I tighten up and stack someone next time.

I'm just telling OP not to play weak poker. Remember - you can use any hand to gain information....or to give it. You just need to know how to use it I guess.

The Line is "small hands, small pots, big hands, big pots" But you can also add - "cheap information is a good investment".



"Nothing ventured.....Nothing earned".....

[RollTide77]

Bet the flop same as you would if you had QT. Represent the Q good kicker or a flush or flush draw. If someone calls then play accordingly.