Suspected to use a bot. How to react ?

[RayBornert]

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Sure makes a lot of sense, Ray. I mean, how would the sites even have a hope of catching colluders and botters if the clients didn't have expanded/admin access to your machine?

Maybe if colluders/botters didn't exist, then poker clients wouldn't need to be so intrusive into your PC? But then again, if thieves and dishonest people didn't exist, we wouldn't need vaults/cops, etc.

Think about it.

MFING DDY

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using advanced features of the ntfs file system it is very
easy to create folders and processes that not even an admin
account can see; big business needs these features because
there may be things that the execs want to store on their
hdd's that they dont want the IT admin staff to be able to
see.

you can protect yourself from poker clients that demand
admin rights to your machine.

the nature of the internet favors the privacy of the enduser
and restricts the powers of a remote game server to police
your physical activities. this is why it's so frustrating
to try and police the rules of the live analog game in an
online context - the security of the game is entirely
dependent on the cooperation of the players. anybody can
decide not to cooperate with the live rules at any time and
nobody can do anything about it.

this lack of policeability is what caused most of my stress
during the years where i was trying to find ways to secure
the live rules on the internet.

ray bornert

[RayBornert]

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so the only way this can really work is to get everyone
that is interested in the same room on a boat inside
international waters and play a live game using a digital
platform.


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This is not secure enough for my purposes. Obviously you would require me to simply take your word that you wouldn't just sail out into international waters and dump me overboard to die, since it's impossible to prove the negative. Clearly I can't take the risk of believing you, so the only way it would be fair is if I have a divine right to do it to you first.

And all your friends.

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i guess the hyper-technical response is that you're right.
i cant prove that to you before the fact; but you could
probably discern some of my actions by learning more about
me and seeing what i value most. i dont have anything to
gain by physically threatening you.

one of the big pro botters who is right now trying to
decide whether or not he'd enter a $10k title event asked
about a scenario where some loser decided to suddenly
destroy an opponent laptop that was currently in a very
large and decisive pot.

my response was to suggest that there was no reason not
to expect all of the same comportment and manners that
any one of us would expect at any live analog game. in
other words i don't see how anybody could suggest that
using a laptop somehow transforms everyone into a lunatic.

i fully agree with you the the set of negative things we
cannot prove is unlimited in size. however, our sense of
reason encourages us to focus on certain things based upon
their likelihood. i'm willing to say that the probability
that you've been tracked, botted or teamed while playing
online is much greater than the probability that i would
assault you at the pbwc.

i've very regularly asked all online players to challenge
the notion that none of their opponents are tracking,
botting, teaming. however, that's about the limit to what
i want to cast doubt upon - maybe the only other thing is
the near god like ability of the site to collude with a
player.

live digital is basically honest holdem but with the added
ability to police teaming since everyone is physically
present and visible.

ray bornert

[DING-DONG YO]

Ray, are you intentionally being this obtuse or are you really this dumb?

[2461Badugi]

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my response was to suggest that there was no reason not
to expect all of the same comportment and manners that
any one of us would expect at any live analog game.

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Why is this acceptable to you in some situations and entirely unacceptable in others?

[RayBornert]

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my response was to suggest that there was no reason not
to expect all of the same comportment and manners that
any one of us would expect at any live analog game.

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Why is this acceptable to you in some situations and entirely unacceptable in others?

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badu,

i dont understand what you're asking here?

ray

[wingnut911]

I too have fallen foul of being accused of botting , same as the OP.This is not a great concern as I have never run any botting software so I presume I can prove my innonence.

My concern is the ability of the poker client to intrude on my PC without good reason.

I have spent the last few hours reading up on the various threads on this subject and I have a question.

If there are so many bots being used , and little evidence of bots being caught , Are the clients being more re-active than Pro-active ?

If this is true then I can only assume that various posts saying the clients are actually making money from these bots (rake) begin to make sense.

In my opinon , if these were tolerated but Flagged with an icon on their screenname , we could avoid the good and exploit the bad.