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Old 11-22-2006, 09:07 AM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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Default Re: ATs flop and turn questions

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Does it matter to you that I 3-bet preflop?

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That would make me even more likely to check.
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Old 11-22-2006, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: ATs flop and turn questions

Why?
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Old 11-22-2006, 11:16 AM
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i dont think its a bad idea to check this flop at all in fact thinking about it id prob check the flop often

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Checking the flop is something I do often here.
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Old 11-23-2006, 08:41 AM
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Default Re: ATs flop and turn questions

Can you explain why?

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Old 11-23-2006, 09:15 AM
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Default Re: ATs flop and turn questions

He is unlikely to have a weaker ace, though it is possible. The likelihood is, if you are ahead then he has 2 or 3 outs to overtake - and some of his outs may be counterfeited, and you usually have a re-draw anyway. If you are behind, then he has a good hand so isn't going anywhere, but you have a decent chance to improve. If he has KK-JJ or something then he may well call one bet, then fold if you bet again. Who knows. But I suspect you wouldn't keep firing to a/i unless you improve, and you often get more value from underpairs if you check the first time. Getting frisky after checking the flop may make villian think that you have a big hand (AA, maybe AK) or not much, depending on what cards hit - but you often get looked up anyway.

All this depends on a lot of things, but the key is you don't neccesarily lose much by checking, and you save yourself something against better hands. You may like being a/i on the flop against AK or AQ but if you don't have any FE then it's not optimal. You can also induce bluffs if villian happens to have nothing.

Obviously, if villian has AQ and you spike the Kc, for example, then you probably win less by checking the flop but most hands that would call the flop will pay off a fair bit from the turn onwards anyway if you improve.
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Old 11-23-2006, 09:27 AM
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Default Re: ATs flop and turn questions

Why pushing flop doesn't have folding equity from AQ and AJ. Hero reraised PF and push represents strong, but vulnerable hand ot a hand that hero has. Anyway, I would push this flop most of the time since hero has at least 9 and possibly 11 outs.
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