ATs flop and turn questions

[Guido]

Hi all,

I'm at my work so I don't know the exact stats of my opponent and this hand was from about a week ago. I did have a history against this oppenent where he stacked me with 67o against my aces on a A548 board on the turn where he c/r me all in and I called. I think he has a VP$IP of about 30% and a PFR of about 12%. Here's the hand and I wonder how I should have played it on both the flop and turn.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $204.88
MP1: $1099.75
Guido: $748.65
SB: $721.75
BB: $621.95

Pre-flop: (10 players) Guido is CO with : :
UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $21</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Guido raises to $60</font>, 2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($129, 7 players)
MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guido bets $100</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $200</font>, Guido?

I called.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($529, 7 players)
<font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises all-in $839.75</font>, Guido?

Thanks,

Guido

[axioma]

you have AT of spades or clubs?

[Mr_Blonde]

Clubs I assume since the As is on the board. Shove flop.

[Mr_Blonde]

And reraise more preflop

[abcjnich]

Call. His betting isn't telling a consistent story. His mini check raise on the flop looks like a value bet- but then on the turn he overbets as though he wants you to fold. Of course, you're representing exactly what you have so he may be betting for value.

[axioma]

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Clubs I assume since the As is on the board. Shove flop.

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ooops of course he has the AcTc.

flop call is fine and correct IMO.

turn we are getting slightly better than 2:1, but you have to assume youre behind, most likely to a set. i think you can fold this fairly cheerfully.

[Sciolist]

1. If you're going to reraise preflop, reraise to ~$70. I'd probably just call though.

2. You are in a good spot, and I'd be looking to put money money in. Lots of people check/min raise c-bets, it doesn't mean a great deal. You also have fold equity, a good draw, and even a possibility of being ahead. So if I could find a way to put my money in here, I probably would.

3. Fold turn as played.

[Eagles]

push the flop.

[Get_better_Baris]

oops, mis read board. as played i reraise flop/push

[JooWish622]

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Clubs I assume since the As is on the board. Shove flop.

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ooops of course he has the AcTc.

flop call is fine and correct IMO.

turn we are getting slightly better than 2:1, but you have to assume youre behind, most likely to a set. i think you can fold this fairly cheerfully.

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i dont think the flop call is correct for the following reasons:

1. against hands like AK and AQ (highly likely) we are only going to win money here if we make our hand (hit a T or teh flush). by pushing the flop, we at least have SOME fold equity in this spot since has has another 7-800 behind. He could very fold AJ or AQ and a hand like ours.
2. since we assign a low prob to hands like A2 and A3, 3 betting is not that great a problem even if it folds our worse hands..

the main reason why were 3 betting here is to fold our hands that may have ours beat since of the hands that are CR this flop, ours is on the lower end of the spectrum but their hands are not THAT strong, so they may fold + we have tons of equity by causing a fold or by making our hand.

how does this change if stack sizes are different?

IMO this is a clear call if after the 200 CR he had like 300 left.

the more he has behind, the more likely we should push here.

if you both had like 2500 behind... i would call since a 3 bet is too much risk for reward and we cant raise to 800 and fold to a push.