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#11
11-20-2006, 04:19 AM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
a few conditions i look for:
1) stacks must be optimal. 2) villain must have either a bluff or a medium/uppermedium strength hand that doesnt want to stand heat 3) it helps if semi-concealed draws get there (the kind that villain will see as soon as your big chips hit the pot, but not before) 4) the villain must be the right kind. TAGs often make the best targets, because they play the river aggressively but can make laydowns when warranted. 5) probably helps if villain doesnt know much about your bluffing capabilities/is afraid of you 6) your line needs to be congruent with the way you'd likely play the nuts (or a very strong hand, at least). suspicious, seemingly random river c/r's will be called down more often than ones that look like you planned it all along. 
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#13
11-20-2006, 07:22 AM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
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[ QUOTE ] I never check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] How can this be? You really mean that if you check OOP you can't have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] on the river yes. I think check-raising river is usally bad EV-wise. for me its more of a psychological move to tilt your opponent and instill fear.
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#14
11-20-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I never check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] How can this be? You really mean that if you check OOP you can't have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] on the river yes. I think check-raising river is usally bad EV-wise. for me its more of a psychological move to tilt your opponent and instill fear. [/ QUOTE ] nooooooooo
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#15
11-20-2006, 02:21 PM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
the standard C-R bluff is pretty simple.....
the player in position bets the flop for value, then checks the turn for pot control, then bets the river for value. if you can put him on a hand at this point, then you might be able to take him off it with a check-raise. heads up 50-100. you call raise to 300 with QJ. flop is 9-T-7. you check, opp bets 600, you call. turn is 2. check, check. river is 2. you check, he pot bets, you raise. Brandon
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#16
11-20-2006, 02:46 PM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
[ QUOTE ]
the standard C-R bluff is pretty simple..... the player in position bets the flop for value, then checks the turn for pot control, then bets the river for value. if you can put him on a hand at this point, then you might be able to take him off it with a check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] the last time i c/r the river it was a hand that played out like this. the villian insta-called with a hand that would never beat anything other than a bluff. i probably c/r the river for value slightly more than most and take this line as a bluff once every few months. i decided not to do that again. i think most semi-good villians call this too much even against someone who will virtually never be bluffing, it just feels like a strange line to them and anything that seems strange triggers calls. playing in an exploitable way, i.e. not bluffing here, is only a leak if your opponents exploit it, which i dont think most will do.
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#18
11-21-2006, 03:07 AM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
[ QUOTE ]
the standard C-R bluff is pretty simple..... the player in position bets the flop for value, then checks the turn for pot control, then bets the river for value. if you can put him on a hand at this point, then you might be able to take him off it with a check-raise. heads up 50-100. you call raise to 300 with QJ. flop is 9-T-7. you check, opp bets 600, you call. turn is 2. check, check. river is 2. you check, he pot bets, you raise. Brandon [/ QUOTE ] unless you are a chronic slowplayer of flopped sets and straights this is a pretty crappy spot for a river c/r bluff.
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#19
11-21-2006, 08:45 AM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] the standard C-R bluff is pretty simple..... the player in position bets the flop for value, then checks the turn for pot control, then bets the river for value. if you can put him on a hand at this point, then you might be able to take him off it with a check-raise. heads up 50-100. you call raise to 300 with QJ. flop is 9-T-7. you check, opp bets 600, you call. turn is 2. check, check. river is 2. you check, he pot bets, you raise. Brandon [/ QUOTE ] unless you are a chronic slowplayer of flopped sets and straights this is a pretty crappy spot for a river c/r bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Indeed. Here's a much better one, though (assuming at least 150bb stacks): Pre-flop raise, you call with x,x. Flop: K,K,T rainbow Check, bet, call. Turn: x Check, bet, call River: x Check, bet, check-raise all in. You can use your imagination for the x'es, but I think that would be a far more believable line and assuming the stacks are deep enough, a normal thinking opponent will have a really tough time calling with even AK. Kirk
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#20
11-21-2006, 09:23 AM
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Re: the river c/r bluff
if x and x are true blanks like say an 8 and a 2 then i can't see anyone FOLDING ak in that spot. wtf?
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