going all in with aces in NL O8, what can I call with?

[Drizztdj]

I push once with AAXX in a while just for the hell of it. Makes the game more fun.

[Phil153]

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title pretty much sums it up.... been playing a bit of NL o8, and run into a bunch of [censored] who just go all in with aces every time they get them. is there any hand i can call profitably against them?

i just want to break them repeatedly.

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Two points:

- Yes they are retards.

- No you can't call them. The advantage of this play (for you) is that they're weeding out their best hands. This means that the flops you end up seeing against these guys will (on average) be stacked more in your favor. You can also narrow their range considerably in certain spots.

So the money you make from these pushes will come from postflop situations. There's no way to profit from calling an AAxx pusher unless you have a better AAxx, or a a low connector in a mutliway pot.

[Assani Fisher]

Phil I generally respect your opinions, but if the following conditions are true:

-You have a weak AA
-You are in the blinds
-There have been multiple limpers

then is pushing not optimal? Even if you think it is slightly less than optimal, certainly its not "retarded", no?

[Phil153]

I agree, it's far easier than guessing on the flop. I was mostly referring to this:

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run into a bunch of [censored] who just go all in with aces every time they get them.

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Although if played well, AA with weak side cards (say AA7K) is still a very profitable hand. At least in PL which is my main game. The preflop-to-river equity of a strong hand doesn't suddenly disappear because it rarely hits a pretty flop. You just have to pick your spots more skilfully.

I started playing Stars NL lately, and some of the calls you get after a preflop push are amazing. Anything that makes decent Sklansky Bucks can't be too retarded.

[T50_Omaha8]

Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
AdAhKsKc 40.86% 322,790 564,676 0 0 0
5d6d7h8h 59.14% 521,332 521,332 0 584,890 0


Best hand to call a high-only, ugly AAxx with? Of course it has no practical application, but still....

[Phil153]

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Qs 8c Ad 2h 157430 230587 269413 0 131790 87243 387 0.506
6d 5d 8h 7h 151748 269413 230587 0 130160 122852 387 0.494

Interesting hand...it's not a dog to A2 either. And not far behind AA3H...

Qs 3c Ad Ah 175855 248042 251958 0 130284 18686 256 0.524
6d 5d 8h 7h 151476 251958 248042 0 131774 117939 256 0.476

[bbartlog]

Yeh, except you're giving yourself a bit of an unfair edge by making the middle wrap double suited vs totally unsuited hands. Still, its' an interesting point; the hand is not nearly as bad if you go all-in with it as it is if you actually have to play it on every street. Its crippling weakness in actual play is its total lack of bettability under most circumstances.

[NU Star]

Push your aces, reload before the flop, and count your Sklansky bucks without giving it another thought. The lower the limit the more profitable it is.