KK 400$NL donked into on turn

[Tony.T]

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If he shoves we can fold,

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What amount are you raising to if you can fold if he pushes?
If you make it 150 you get 3to1 for your money if he moves in, will you fold that?

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atleast to 150... He's not going to 3-bet AI a worse hand.. Then at best you have 8 outs, which is worse than 3:1... Most likely however, if you're behind you have 2/0 outs..

But the thing is, this line is a worse hand 80-90% of the time.. So there is definately value in rasiing.

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I agree, I would make it 200-250. But Im almost never folding here, not when he took that line. You dont think he can move in with T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]/A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] type of hands?

[PatInTheHat]

I was first going to post that I don't hate a call however I would probably re-raise. The problem here is the stack sizes make bet/folding almost impossible so if your betting to 150+ (150 being minimum and I tihnk more is best) I think your going to have to call a shove with the pot odds given.