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11-11-2006, 09:05 PM
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KK 400$NL donked into on turn
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No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $2/$4 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $440.40 Hero: $425.90 CO: $644.47 Button: $394 SB: $421.05 BB: $1254.97 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($50, 3 players) BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $40</font>, Button folds, BB calls. Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($130, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $50</font> Plans? I'm quite new to the table, no stats. 
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#5
11-11-2006, 10:08 PM
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Re: KK 400$NL donked into on turn
i believe blinds deserve a little more respect and no hurt in pot controling while ur in position. I would just call, and call up to and including a pot sized bet on the river, if he checked on river i'd through out a 2/3 or 1/2 value bet. In the end all you have is one pair and there is no use raising these weird bets on the turn, I much rather control the pot size, play small pots with small hands, big pots with big hands. KK is a big hand pf but as of the turn on this hand, you have one pair.
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#6
11-11-2006, 10:20 PM
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Re: KK 400$NL donked into on turn
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i believe blinds deserve a little more respect and no hurt in pot controling while ur in position. I would just call, and call up to and including a pot sized bet on the river, if he checked on river i'd through out a 2/3 or 1/2 value bet. In the end all you have is one pair and there is no use raising these weird bets on the turn, I much rather control the pot size, play small pots with small hands, big pots with big hands. KK is a big hand pf but as of the turn on this hand, you have one pair. [/ QUOTE ] True but why didnt he raise that flop if he had 2 pair+? Let him make a mistake, raise
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#7
11-11-2006, 10:24 PM
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Re: KK 400$NL donked into on turn
Stop-n-go after calling bb looks more suspicious to me then flop check-raise which, espeically since his "go" is tiny, almost looking to be raised, its too small to be a blocking bet, unless you have better read i still advocate pot controlling
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#8
11-11-2006, 11:56 PM
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Re: KK 400$NL donked into on turn
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Stop-n-go after calling bb looks more suspicious to me then flop check-raise which, espeically since his "go" is tiny, almost looking to be raised, its too small to be a blocking bet, unless you have better read i still advocate pot controlling [/ QUOTE ] If you play often at all, you will know villans line is top pair/pair + draw/naked draw very very often.. We aare missing out on lots of value here by not raising... If he shoves we can fold, but we get called by wayyyyy too many hands that we beat to not bet this turn...
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#9
11-12-2006, 12:31 AM
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Re: KK 400$NL donked into on turn
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If he shoves we can fold, [/ QUOTE ] What amount are you raising to if you can fold if he pushes? If you make it 150 you get 3to1 for your money if he moves in, will you fold that?
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#10
11-12-2006, 12:46 AM
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Re: KK 400$NL donked into on turn
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[ QUOTE ] If he shoves we can fold, [/ QUOTE ] What amount are you raising to if you can fold if he pushes? If you make it 150 you get 3to1 for your money if he moves in, will you fold that? [/ QUOTE ] atleast to 150... He's not going to 3-bet AI a worse hand.. Then at best you have 8 outs, which is worse than 3:1... Most likely however, if you're behind you have 2/0 outs.. But the thing is, this line is a worse hand 80-90% of the time.. So there is definately value in rasiing.
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