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11-01-2006, 07:49 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why? Enlighten me. [/ QUOTE ] button raise from the second stack is often a reasonably large range. our hand measures up well against it, but i think does even better as a stop and go (obv we would check if we hit anything). flop is nice for the shove because he folds a lot of his non-ace range and it only has to work less than half of the time. btw, i almost always hate stop n gos. [/ QUOTE ] Gotcha. I understand the line of thinking but I guess I differ on what we get to fold. It's very dependent on the Villain. I love it based on the range your speaking of but I think there a lot of 114ers that I would never try this against. [/ QUOTE ] thing is that people who are calling with 77 are also opening wide enough for this to be profitable. people opening tighter are folding 77. obv, this is a generalization, but do you get what im saying? 
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#13
11-01-2006, 08:12 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why? Enlighten me. [/ QUOTE ] button raise from the second stack is often a reasonably large range. our hand measures up well against it, but i think does even better as a stop and go (obv we would check if we hit anything). flop is nice for the shove because he folds a lot of his non-ace range and it only has to work less than half of the time. btw, i almost always hate stop n gos. [/ QUOTE ] Gotcha. I understand the line of thinking but I guess I differ on what we get to fold. It's very dependent on the Villain. I love it based on the range your speaking of but I think there a lot of 114ers that I would never try this against. [/ QUOTE ] thing is that people who are calling with 77 are also opening wide enough for this to be profitable. people opening tighter are folding 77. obv, this is a generalization, but do you get what im saying? [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. I got it from the beginning. I think you 77 example may me a bit off. I think plenty could open with like 77+,Ax+,KJ+ here. All that we are beating is KJ & sometimes folding 77-TT depending on the player. This obviously does work a lot better at the 114s. 77-TT may never fold to our line at a lower level.
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#15
11-02-2006, 10:24 AM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
How do you think of the possibility that the button has an A when there is already an A appearing on flop? I think if the possibility is below 40% it is a good move.
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#16
11-02-2006, 12:54 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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[ QUOTE ] Why? Enlighten me. [/ QUOTE ] button raise from the second stack is often a reasonably large range. our hand measures up well against it, but i think does even better as a stop and go (obv we would check if we hit anything). flop is nice for the shove because he folds a lot of his non-ace range and it only has to work less than half of the time. btw, i almost always hate stop n gos. [/ QUOTE ] By anything I'm assuming you mean top pair, not a draw
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#17
11-02-2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why? Enlighten me. [/ QUOTE ] button raise from the second stack is often a reasonably large range. our hand measures up well against it, but i think does even better as a stop and go (obv we would check if we hit anything). flop is nice for the shove because he folds a lot of his non-ace range and it only has to work less than half of the time. btw, i almost always hate stop n gos. [/ QUOTE ] By anything I'm assuming you mean top pair, not a draw [/ QUOTE ] yeh... but id check call on a AQX board too.
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11-02-2006, 01:56 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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cool... pushing PF isn't that bad either right? [/ QUOTE ] Pushing PF is worse here as villian probably has Ax or a mid pair and is pot committed unless x<8, in which case he should be pushing. The stop and go gets villian off mid pair on A high flop.
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#19
11-02-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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eh, i fold pf? [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I understand the reasoning, I just don't think it's the correct spot.
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#20
11-02-2006, 09:21 PM
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Re: ($114) I almost never stop and go but this looked custom made....
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[ QUOTE ] eh, i fold pf? [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I understand the reasoning, I just don't think it's the correct spot. [/ QUOTE ] meh, now that i think about it a sng isnt bad here.. but this wouldnt be my standard move here.
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