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11-01-2006, 08:31 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] umm we have a straight. [/ QUOTE ] omg adanthar is wrong harharharhahr [/ QUOTE ] 
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#62
11-01-2006, 09:06 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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I have 30k in the co w/ 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], it is folded me. I make it 150 at 25/50, fold to the SB who calls, as does the BB. Player Notes: SB: 15k. a tight, rather unimaginative player who rarley gets out of line. The last hand he played he raised KK in the CO, took the pot, and showed his hand in disgust of the action he was receiving. BB: 45k. a loose/agressive player, who rarley stays in line. He has won the last 3 pots on c-bets and flop raises, 2 of those he shown as bluffs. The flop comes 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB checks, BB leads for 250, Hero? I'll go one street at a time. If I get some responses I'll then post the action for the turn and river. [/ QUOTE ] I like the call because if you bump it up there's always the chance he'll push you off and then u will be wishing u took the freebie.
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#64
11-02-2006, 12:07 AM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] why would we shove over a river cr?!?!?! [/ QUOTE ] To get called by a 6 and a 6 only? [/ QUOTE ] he's not check-raising the river and then calling a push with something we have beat, thats for sure. its between call and fold if villain c/r's us.
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#65
11-02-2006, 01:12 AM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why would we shove over a river cr?!?!?! [/ QUOTE ] To get called by a 6 and a 6 only? [/ QUOTE ] he's not check-raising the river and then calling a push with something we have beat, thats for sure. its between call and fold if villain c/r's us. [/ QUOTE ] i based my push decision strictly off the reads you gave and how the action played out. a river c/r by villian makes no sense to me at all, except to be a bluff with TP or over pair.
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#66
11-02-2006, 01:34 AM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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i based my push decision strictly off the reads you gave and how the action played out. a river c/r by villian makes no sense to me at all, except to be a bluff with TP or over pair. [/ QUOTE ] So you 3-bet why? So that you can get him to fold the hands that we were beating anyway? Or so you charge yourself more when you're behind?
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#67
11-02-2006, 03:38 AM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] i based my push decision strictly off the reads you gave and how the action played out. a river c/r by villian makes no sense to me at all, except to be a bluff with TP or over pair. [/ QUOTE ] So you 3-bet why? So that you can get him to fold the hands that we were beating anyway? Or so you charge yourself more when you're behind? [/ QUOTE ] did you not read any of my other posts as to WHY i think a 3-bet shove will work in this hand? Getting him to fold is not the idea, but just calling this players c/r is far worse IMO. If you re-read all the action and get into understanding the reads given, i dont see how you cant 3bet the river. When i read the results, i was surprised that there was no c/r by villian and a call by Bullet Dodger.
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#68
11-02-2006, 04:00 AM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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did you not read any of my other posts as to WHY i think a 3-bet shove will work in this hand? [/ QUOTE ] I'm sorry, but I don't see why 3bet pushing the river makes sense. Granted, the action + the read suggests Villain doesn't have a monster on the flop or turn. River check-raise => bluff with hands we beat most of the time and an occasional straight. A villain check-raising the river knows he's doing it as a bluff, and will fold everything but a 6 if you shove over the top. Unless there's some sort of meta-game reason for 3bet pushing (doubtful), then pushing over a checkraise on the river seems bad, since he won't call the last bet with anything but hands that beat you - the only real value you'd have in it is if you expect Villain to fold a better hand, but as you argued this line seems doubtful from a set / better 2 pair.
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#70
11-02-2006, 04:48 AM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
RichChed,
3 betting the river is horrifically bad. He never calls with a worse hand. You lose more to better hands. You break even agaisnt bluffs versus if you just called. Also, if he c/rs river, its a [censored] eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy fold.
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