Festa Al Lago WPT Level 1 hand vs Benyamine/Doug Lee (190bb's deep) - Page 5

gakn29 · #41 10-19-2006, 03:00 PM

This is an auto muck. I dont like the turn bet as it is likely that Lee might have the 4. Anyways, I dont like playing tricky pots this early so Ida checked the turn and reevaluated on the river.

snagglepuss · #42 10-19-2006, 05:52 PM

re-raise pre. 3-betting from the cutoff defines your hand too much? not good!

stoxtrader · #43 10-19-2006, 06:19 PM

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Against Benyamine, he always makes these huge overbet pushes with nada. You have to call. Tough to know that without history though. Plus he's probably in get a big stack or bust mode.

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jv is my hero. also i would call here as I would be in big stack or bust mode.

Exitonly · #44 10-19-2006, 06:29 PM

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this is a really bad turn bet unless you can very easily call/fold to a shove, and you definitely cant call easily.

-durrrr

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this is what i thought too.

also i think i like the cold-call pf (but obv reraising is fine too)

billyjex · #45 10-19-2006, 06:49 PM

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re-raise pre. 3-betting from the cutoff defines your hand too much? not good!

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playing for an hour and a half 10 handed it is not easy to create an image that doesn't. benyamine knows he has been tight, i have been tight.

i did make a reraise w/ Q8s after a raise and a call, but didn't show that.

adanthar · #46 10-19-2006, 09:30 PM

I would call this because the way you played it the CR is basically 'any overpair' including 88.

The call PF is OK, but the thing is...you are playing against what you think are better players. They know it, you know it (see your last post; metagame is irrelevant unless you show down a hand and right now they all think of you as a tight internet donk that's intimidated by them). So when you both call PF and on the flop you are vastly underrepresenting your hand, into people that will automatically make moves into weakness on the turn. If you raise the flop you avoid this and basically nearly always take down a smallish/mediumish pot, but the upside is you don't get into this weird, 4th level metagame situation on the turn.

having gotten to the turn this way, check it against these people, and then call any non 5, non A river bet. Then reraise the next 2 steal attempts and show one.

Ansky · #47 10-19-2006, 10:12 PM

The preflop call isn't about being too readable, the problem is that you are going to be at the bottom end of the range you are representing.

technologic · #48 10-19-2006, 10:50 PM

thanks for clarifying that i'm not doug lee. i may be a donk, but hopefully didn't come off as newbish as i thought doug lee was last year.

i fold after a lot of deliberation, though i pretty much agree that you have to show a little bit more aggression earlier on in the hand, as it makes the hand a lot easier to play. i'm generally not a fan of playing QQ slow to extract more value/pot control, but i guess i play pretty nitty.

fsuplayer · #49 10-19-2006, 11:00 PM

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thanks for clarifying that i'm not doug lee.

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when i started reading this thread, i thought op was describing you and thought it was pretty harsh. and i couldnt remember that u had a tic? [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

TStoneMBD · #50 10-20-2006, 05:00 AM

i think this largely depends on what you and benyamine conceive lee's strength to be. if you think hes calling this turn bet with alot of crap then you can expect benyamine to push with smaller overpairs here. if lee's turn call is very scary then beyamine is much less likely to push. because of how lee sounds like hes playing, this seems like it would be an easy call. also, there is a good chance that benyamine is willing to risk his stack early on moreso than most tournament players because his time is likely better spent playing in cash games.

i was also surprised to hear you say that this was a good structure. seemed pretty bad to me. then again, i got really spoiled by the uspc's structure and this was only my second big buyin tournament.