KK UTG On Suited Paired Board

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If he is holding a mid-pair, he may be convinced that he's beat when we 3-bet flop, and lead turn. We are also disappointing a flush draw by calling flop raise & leading turn.

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right ... forgot about the possible free card attempt

wouldn't the stop and go say AK ... and if/when he has a smaller pair, would fold? ... would you not prefer this guy to bluff at you with the ace on the board (and either c/c ... or c/r - maybe a c/r is stupid, I don't know)

Actually now I think I might go into c/c mode ... and donk a non-club river (pot is a little large on the turn)

[JerBear77]

.....folds here.

Flop is ok but now your A of clubs on your apparent FD somewhere has just come in. There's just not much that you are beating here.

If turn and river are non As and a Non Clubs i would call this down in most spots.

[JerBear77]

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If he is holding a mid-pair, he may be convinced that he's beat when we 3-bet flop, and lead turn. We are also disappointing a flush draw by calling flop raise & leading turn.

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right ... forgot about the possible free card attempt

wouldn't the stop and go say AK ... and if/when he has a smaller pair, would fold? ... would you not prefer this guy to bluff at you with the ace on the board (and either c/c ... or c/r - maybe a c/r is stupid, I don't know)

Actually now I think I might go into c/c mode ... and donk a non-club river (pot is a little large on the turn)

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Flop Raise could be a FD or a Q that feels that we are calling along like most fish. (I will play a Q here in this spot if I know that villian can't let go of Ks or As [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) Once the A hits, Im done. Once a Club hits Im done. I don't see the point in 3 betting this as we are flooding a pot with what is now a marginal hand against alot of possible hands for the villian. Actually, I think that 3 betting the flop is giving you a better "price" to stay in a hand that is getting killed after the A hits the turn, which we don't want w/ our UI pair here.

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If he is holding a mid-pair, he may be convinced that he's beat when we 3-bet flop, and lead turn. We are also disappointing a flush draw by calling flop raise & leading turn.

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right ... forgot about the possible free card attempt

wouldn't the stop and go say AK ... and if/when he has a smaller pair, would fold? ... would you not prefer this guy to bluff at you with the ace on the board (and either c/c ... or c/r - maybe a c/r is stupid, I don't know)

Actually now I think I might go into c/c mode ... and donk a non-club river (pot is a little large on the turn)

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Flop Raise could be a FD or a Q that feels that we are calling along like most fish. (I will play a Q here in this spot if I know that villian can't let go of Ks or As [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) Once the A hits, Im done. Once a Club hits Im done. I don't see the point in 3 betting this as we are flooding a pot with what is now a marginal hand against alot of possible hands for the villian. Actually, I think that 3 betting the flop is giving you a better "price" to stay in a hand that is getting killed after the A hits the turn, which we don't want w/ our UI pair here.

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sounds a little mubbs-ish ... villian can be raising way more hands than just Ace of clubs or a Queen
villian is unknown and at 0.50/1.00 ... I don't think you can default to any type of 'solid' player

[BigBadBabar]

definitely 3bet flop and it plays differently

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