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09-05-2006, 03:54 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG?
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Also, why raise to 5x BB PF? [/ QUOTE ] I bet 2.5 BBs. [ QUOTE ] don't raise the flop without a plan as to how you will react. i usually call the flop and if he leads into me again i push if i improve at all [/ QUOTE ] My plan was to bet any strt draw, flush draw, any pair that I hit, and C-bet an ace or 2 face cards depending on texture. He threw a wrench in my plan by raising so big on the flop. So I followed my original plan of betting- and got 3bet by close to a minbet.... I think folding is the right thing based on how the betting sequence worked out. But I can see myself pushing if he hadnt just bet 1k more back at me. I also agree with you about just calling his original bet- rather than starting the pissing contest that i did. 
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#13
09-05-2006, 03:57 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG?
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This is 77-JJ a large % of the time, don't play these types of hands for TP value. They have to be played for either 2p, set, straight and flush value. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Though TP is often enough to take it down, however his bets indicated otherwise. Therefore I folded, knowing my intent was to play for straight or flush draw.
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#14
09-05-2006, 03:59 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG?
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[ QUOTE ] Also, why raise to 5x BB PF? [/ QUOTE ] I bet 2.5 BBs. [ QUOTE ] don't raise the flop without a plan as to how you will react. i usually call the flop and if he leads into me again i push if i improve at all [/ QUOTE ] My plan was to bet any strt draw, flush draw, any pair that I hit, and C-bet an ace or 2 face cards depending on texture. He threw a wrench in my plan by raising so big on the flop. So I followed my original plan of betting- and got 3bet by close to a minbet.... I think folding is the right thing based on how the betting sequence worked out. But I can see myself pushing if he hadnt just bet 1k more back at me. [/ QUOTE ] He DID min-raise you - you raised his bet by 1K - he CAN'T raise LESS than 1K... right?...
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#16
09-05-2006, 04:42 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG?
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[ QUOTE ] This is 77-JJ a large % of the time, don't play these types of hands for TP value. They have to be played for either 2p, set, straight and flush value. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Though TP is often enough to take it down, however his bets indicated otherwise. Therefore I folded, knowing my intent was to play for straight or flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] there's really no question you are probably beaten here - but you are also committed to this pot the way you played it.
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#17
09-05-2006, 04:46 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG?
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don't raise the flop without a plan as to how you will react. i usually call the flop and if he leads into me again i push if i improve at all [/ QUOTE ] what do you do on a 2o turn?
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#18
09-05-2006, 05:10 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG???
posting before reading any comments...
My gut says overpair. Fold. Reraise more than 1000 over the 800 would be my suggestion, and then still fold to a shove.
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#20
09-05-2006, 05:53 PM
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Re: 20/180- 89s- I\'ve raised PF- and have an 8hi flop...now what? LAG?
Guys, you don't play the LAG strategy half-assed for half a hand. How does that make sense?
On this hand, either you are play LAG or you are playing TAG. You cannot make this laydown at this point in this line. It makes no sense. Yes, you are maybe a 3:1 dog, maybe even a 4:1 dog, but you are committed to this hand, because semi- bluffing, underpairs and draws are included in villain's range. If you are playing TAG, you fold preflop. I don't mind the line postflop considering we are playing LAG. But you cannot spew half of villains stack and then suddenly TAG up when you realize you took a mediocre line (in terms of value) a bridge too far. You are committed to this hand and pot. Get in there. Bear in mind you have 20 bbs left even if you lose and a LOOSE AS HELL image that you can now work off of when you go TAG AFTER THIS HAND. If you win this hand, hell, stick with LAG and go ahead and win the damn thing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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