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Old 08-30-2006, 03:53 AM
Ampelmann Ampelmann is offline
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

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A 13% preflop raise percentage is only 4 hands?

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Villain capped pf.
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:59 AM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

Flop and turn are well played. Have to bet the river.
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

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A 13% preflop raise percentage is only 4 hands?

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Villain capped pf.

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I thought the dude was a "typical LAG"?
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

I raise/cap the flop, and raise the turn. If he 3-bets the turn I'd assume a WA/WB situation and call down.

I don't think "UTG read was 38%/13%/0.90%, typical LAG" is good enough of a read to assume QQ+.
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

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I raise/cap the flop, and raise the turn. If he 3-bets the turn I'd assume a WA/WB situation and call down.

I don't think "UTG read was 38%/13%/0.90%, typical LAG" is good enough of a read to assume QQ+.

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You think someone with pfr = 13 and AF = 0.9 playing from under the gun is going to cap the flop and turn with something we beat?

I admit I probably raise the flop here on autopilot a fair amount of the time, but I agree with the people posting here that the line taken by OP (other than the river - thats bad) is best.
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:34 PM
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You think someone with pfr = 13 and AF = 0.9 playing from under the gun is going to cap the flop and turn with something we beat?

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So he has a PFR of 13% and an AF of 0.9. Over what sample size? Are we talking 50 hands or 5k?

I think it's heavily read dependent, and I don't like the read.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

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A 13% preflop raise percentage is only 4 hands?

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Villain capped pf.

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I thought the dude was a "typical LAG"?

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Looking at Villain's stats, I would need an explanation as to why OP thinks he's a LAG, as he looks more like loose/appropriately aggro preflop/passive postflop. The only aggro thing I see about his stats is a 13 PFR but that's easily attainable without doing anything crazy, like capping OOP heads-up with weak hands.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:24 PM
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genltemen (and secretive ladies),

villain's pfr is 13% (not very LAGgy, btw) and he is utg. i don't think his capping range is much larger than aa/kk/qq/jj/ak. thus, we are ahead of 16 hands that have 6 outs against us, tied with 1 hand, and behind 18 hands that we have 2 outs against. semi-ahead/way behind.

i don't think there's much to be gained by raising anywhere. raising just lets AK off the hook while getting us 3bet by a bigger PP.

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I aggree totally.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

My "Typical LAG" comment was based on my observation of his play, and was mostly a commentary of his preflop play, and what he was showing down. Villian was showing a lot of Ax at showdown, and was losing most of them. This was also relative to the current table, which was playing really tight otherwise. However, the sample size on those stats was only 70 hands I believe.

Thanks for all the good comments so far from everyone. I will post hand results and more thoughts about the hand once I get off from work tonight.
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: JJ - Do I need to keep raising?

you are debating about villain's range including an overpair compared with when he has big cards. We are getting punished by an overpair, when we are behind. Let him bet his overcards, when we are ahead. This river is screaming underpair/overcards, and so I think the worst mistake is not betting here. He will call and look us up, a lot.
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