Request for strong draws... - Page 2

Mossberg · #11 08-14-2006, 04:59 PM

Yah good point jba, I guess that would give me the initiative + quite possibly give me a free card..

Gee, I always tell myself that my massive breakeven stretch "isn't really effecting my game at all".. I think I'm lying to myself.

Scary_Tiger · #12 08-14-2006, 05:22 PM

This is a hand where I underestimated the strength of my draw and may have misplayed.

Villain is cts who I believe is a high stakes NL 2+2er, and has been playing pretty straight up, although he seemed to run card hot, 38.1/25.7/2.8 over 158 hands. This is the only time he's 3-bet me and he hasn't shown down any surprises.

PokerStars 100/200 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 6h Ah (three of a kind, sixes).
MP has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.75 BB.

Scary_Tiger · #13 08-14-2006, 05:29 PM

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Mossberg,

I would 3bet the flop there about 100% of the time.

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cyork2 · #14 08-14-2006, 05:34 PM

Villian is 86.96/39.13/1.2 over 24 hands - I shouldn't have been trying to steal blinds from this lagtard but I was on the verge of tilting at the time.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (8.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

My analysis - turn raise is spewy and I'm not sure about the river.

Scary_Tiger · #15 08-14-2006, 05:47 PM

york, your pf raise is for value. Your flop raise is for value, your turn raise is for value. Reason turn raise isn't spewing is the same reason river is close. I think I fold too though. Usually donkfectas are pretty strong hands, like A7 or something.

Dendrite · #16 08-14-2006, 05:51 PM

come on, the flop raise isn't for value. and there's no way the turn raise is for value.

Scary_Tiger · #17 08-14-2006, 05:53 PM

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come on, the flop raise isn't for value. and there's no way the turn raise is for value.

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Villain: 86.96/39.13/1.2

Edit: The great thing about these Villains is they're going to spew against you when you actually hit one of your 15-18 outs worth raising on the river.

Dendrite · #18 08-14-2006, 05:55 PM

on the turn, he's a dog to 52o, bottom pair, bottom kicker, no draw. he's a significant dog to A7o, and he's a dog to unpaired ace high hands like A2o.

Dendrite · #19 08-14-2006, 05:56 PM

if the villian's range on the turn is ANY 2 CARDS, hero has 51% equity. and you're telling me the turn raise is for value? you are way off.

Scary_Tiger · #20 08-14-2006, 06:00 PM

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if the villian's range on the turn is ANY 2 CARDS, hero has 51% equity. and you're telling me the turn raise is for value? you are way off.

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He isn't stop and going any particularly strong hands. Anything that's a two pair, top pair, set or strong draw on the flop can be pretty much tossed.