TP no kicker + BDFD, call flop?

[Dustangel]

Grunch:

Fold preflop.
I think you can raise flop for value here. I'd be suprised if someone 3-bet or fold after your raise, and your winning odds are better than 5:1. Even if I'm wrong at that, calling is perfectly acceptable.

[Dustangel]

BB can bet with any pair, set or straight. After that, everyone will start thinking along the lines of "ooh, 8:1" etc. If the table is loose, all sorts of Axs will call. So I think TP will hold here often enough to warrant a call.

[Romulus141]

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Grunch:

Fold preflop.

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He's in the SB. Completing in an unraised pot with any two suited cards is almost always correct.

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I think you can raise flop for value here. I'd be suprised if someone 3-bet or fold after your raise, and your winning odds are better than 5:1. Even if I'm wrong at that, calling is perfectly acceptable.

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He'd be check-raising by doing that, and this situation doesn't really warrant that. He'd be trapping the field, no one is going to fold, he doesn't have a strong hand in a multi-way pot, so he'd just bloat the pot when he doesn't have enough equity. And being 3-bet here would be terrible. Calling is the correct play here.

[bozlax]

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Yea, I agree it's a call. I wouldn't if it was two back to me though.

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If it were 2 back to you a) you wouldn't be getting 12:1, b) you wouldn't be closing the action, and c) you'd be sure you didn't have the best hand. That's a clear fold.

[Dustangel]

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He's in the SB. Completing in an unraised pot with any two suited cards is almost always correct.

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This is .25/.50. SB is only .10, so he must call another .15 to complete, getting pot odds of 11.6:1. I don't see how this is +EV with T3s.

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Calling is the correct play here.

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I thought it over and I agree.

[bozlax]

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This is .25/.50. SB is only .10, so he must call another .15 to complete, getting pot odds of 11.6:1. I don't see how this is +EV with T3s.

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This is how:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

25,170,868,800 games 29.359 secs 857,347,620 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.5836 % 31.71% 02.87% { 72o }
Hand 2: 65.4164 % 62.54% 02.87% { random }


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Edit: ok, maybe that's a little snarky. The point is, unless somebody's showing strength no hand is a big enough underdog against a bunch of other hands to give up better than 10:1 pot odds. Completing with nearly any 2 from the SB with 6 limpers is going to work out well for you, provided you are confident you'll be able to play your hand well postflop.

[Aaron W.]

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He's in the SB. Completing in an unraised pot with any two suited cards is almost always correct.

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This is .25/.50. SB is only .10, so he must call another .15 to complete, getting pot odds of 11.6:1. I don't see how this is +EV with T3s.

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Preflop play is not about immediate pot odds. It's always about implied odds. Do you flop a good enough hand 8% of the time? (Good enough means flush draw, two pair, trips, sometimes top pair...)

[Xhad]

Dustangel:

In a pot this multiway the BB could consider calling a single raise with T3s.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post5432754

[Bodizapha]

Gotta call here. Pot is big and you are holding top pair.

Ed would be upset if you folded here.

[Ampelmann]

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Folding sucks. I'd peel here without the BDFD.

Even if you think you're dominated, you've got 4.5 outs to victory (BDFD + 3 two pair outs). Also, you're closing the action so you don't need to worry about getting raised. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that there are 12 FREAKING SMALL BETS IN THE POT and it only costs you ONE to peel and see what happens.

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you fold too damn much.

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I know that post, and I always think about it when I'm in situations like this. But that doesn't mean I should misapply it every time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]